OGG Ripper help
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Topic author: Ghostrider
Subject: OGG Ripper help wanting to know which out there is the better OGG Ripper please let me know thank you
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Posted on: 04/10/2004 1:36:07 PM
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Reply author: Khyron
Replied on: 04/10/2004 9:03:06 PM
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Better than what? Lots of people seem to like dbPoweramp if that helps.
Customer #2482 and #5863
Reply author: Ling
Replied on: 04/12/2004 06:47:01 AM
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I have tried CDex and DBPoweramp and both were fine. However, I like Audiograbber which is now free. You can get it at:
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/
Yada yada 3768 128/20 Bundle... Inquiring minds want to know
Reply author: K-Man666
Replied on: 04/25/2004 5:57:10 PM
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CDex is the only one to go: FREE software(as in speech) and REALLY easy to use (As far as you got ASPI drivers or a NT Core windows.)
You could also use EAC and Oggenc.
Use abcde on Linux(no joke).
Kaspar (The German Guy)
Reply author: dommel
Replied on: 05/04/2004 2:18:51 PM
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winLAME also supports Ogg! Those guys had already conquered my heart with their completely free and superb MP3 encoder, and now it does Ogg as well!!
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 05/23/2004 3:20:05 PM
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quintessential player quinnware.com supports the newest ogg release, and the ripper is pretty good and has plenty of options. and free of course
Reply author: nanatn(at)hotmail.com
Replied on: 05/24/2004 8:45:02 PM
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i use freerip 2.30. it does ogg and batch file conversions.
it's a bit slow, but it's free.
nathan notech
Reply author: natesneat2000
Replied on: 08/20/2004 11:20:20 AM
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Speaking of Vorbis, is there anywhere I could find a calcualator to find how many songs I can fit on it at various quality levels... I'll be buying 40 gig model, and am debating to rip to vorbis quality 6 or 7, or maybe even 8. I know it's VBR, and there is no guarentee, but just something accurate to +/-100 songs?
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 08/20/2004 9:21:51 PM
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Well, at vorbis quality 7 I get between 205-225kbit compression. so you can multiply that out and divide by 8 to get your total kbytes
Reply author: natesneat2000
Replied on: 08/21/2004 7:22:02 PM
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Thank you; I think I will rip with q 7 and CDEx.
Reply author: kronin
Replied on: 08/22/2004 5:21:13 PM
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Originally posted by natesneat2000
Thank you; I think I will rip with q 7 and CDEx.
Be advised that users have posted skipping of Q7 ogg files on the Neuros. I use Q6 with very rare skips over MyFi, but no skips at all over headphones.
Reply author: Lou Erickson
Replied on: 08/23/2004 1:34:43 PM
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I would advise you to do some listening tests with Ogg Vorbis. Try Q3, Q5, Q6, and Q7, and use as low as you decide is acceptable.
I use Q6, and there are occasional problems with playback on the Neuros. I would not go any higher, myself.
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 08/23/2004 2:07:16 PM
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any problems with q8 on neuros?
Reply author: noiz
Replied on: 08/23/2004 2:10:39 PM
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Originally posted by bhcompy
any problems with q8 on neuros?
that will most likely skip on the neuros even when listening with headphones...
-noiz
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 08/23/2004 2:16:17 PM
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why? higher the compression the more the skipping? why does it skip on headphones differently than on broadcast?
Reply author: kronin
Replied on: 08/23/2004 2:44:44 PM
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Originally posted by bhcompy
why? higher the compression the more the skipping? why does it skip on headphones differently than on broadcast?
The higher the quality, the higher the bitrate. The higher the bitrate, the more processing power it takes to decode. The more processing power it takes to decode, the more likely you are to hear a skip.
Therefore, if Q6 skips rarely, then Q7 will skip more frequently, and Q8 will skip more frequently than that.
The reason it skips differently on headphones vs. MyFi is that MyFi uses processing power too, which takes away from the available processing power to decode the music.
Reply author: kronin
Replied on: 08/23/2004 2:50:47 PM
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Originally posted by bhcompy
Well, at vorbis quality 7 I get between 205-225kbit compression. so you can multiply that out and divide by 8 to get your total kbytes
What do you mean by this statement? Are you saying that the Q7 ogg vorbis files average 205-225 kbps? This is the bitrate, not the compression. A lower bitrate equates to a higher compression, so a Q1 ogg vorbis file is compressed more than a Q7 vorbis file, keeping in mind that it's a lossy compression, just like MP3, WMA or AAC.
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 08/23/2004 3:04:40 PM
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thats what i meant and it seems nate knew whati meant too
Reply author: natesneat2000
Replied on: 08/24/2004 8:24:43 PM
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Yes. I figured out how many songs I could get, but forget 
. I won't be doing higher than 6, becuase even with 128 to 160 MP3, the menus seem slower while [playing... I'm buying some good headphones and goiong on a 4 hour road trip Thurs, so I'll have to do some ripping and listening and menu- uh...operating?
Reply author: Lou Erickson
Replied on: 08/25/2004 2:11:00 PM
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The menus do slow down on playback. I have some tracks they're practically non-responsive.
If it gets really bad, press "pause". =)
Reply author: rknize
Replied on: 09/16/2004 10:47:20 AM
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Ugh. Most of my OGGs (well over 40GB worth) are 256kbps nominal. Is there any chance the Neuros could ever play higher bitrate files? Are we simply out of MIPS and I would need to transcode my entire library? Ugh.
Russ W. Knize
Reply author: webkid
Replied on: 09/16/2004 11:02:32 AM
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The three options you have, from most reasonable to least likely:
1. Wait until the Ogg Peeler comes out, and then use it manually on your Neuros, or let someone integrate it into a sync manager.
2. Wait for the next-gen Neuros III, which (more than likely) will include higher processing power.
3. Wait until a high-powered DSP in the form of a backpack is realesed from DI.
Reply author: bhcompy
Replied on: 09/16/2004 11:20:41 AM
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what's the ogg peeler?
what's the eta on the III?
what's the eta on the backpack?
Reply author: kronin
Replied on: 09/16/2004 11:44:53 AM
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Originally posted by bhcompy
what's the ogg peeler?
what's the eta on the III?
what's the eta on the backpack?
The ogg peeler is a program that takes an ogg file at, say, q7 and peels off information to make it a q5 file, with the idea that you can go down in quality and that the file that you get after peeling is the same as if you encoded the .wav file directly to that quality ogg file. It was one of the original design requirements of ogg vorbis. It has come up on ogg-traffic, however, that the bits need reordering in order for peeling to work. Noone has developed even a beta peeler that works as intended, so I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Monty also said at one point that the new version of vorbis will be easier to peel.
There is no eta on the NIII, as the NII just came out. This is a "down the road" kind of thing, just like the backpack. By my guess, either one is at least a year out, with a more reasonable estimate being 2 years or more. However, I don't work for Neuros Audio, and neither does Webkid, so who knows?
Reply author: webkid
Replied on: 09/16/2004 11:47:20 AM
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Originally posted by bhcompy
what's the ogg peeler?
what's the eta on the III?
what's the eta on the backpack?
(In order)
Ogg Peeler: http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20030331.html#id2728792
ETAs: none. Neither product has been announced by DI. They are both just possibilities, which is why they were at the end of the "realistic" list.
(Edit: Man, Kronin. You're just jumping in above of all my replies.
)
Reply author: kronin
Replied on: 09/16/2004 12:40:52 PM
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webkid, good link on the peeler. Here's some more info:
http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20030415.html#id2728830
That first peeler was an april fool's joke.
Here's a link to the discussion thread on it:
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/2003-April/010339.html
and as far as jumping in above your replies, I have to get to 1,000 posts somehow
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