Future of HiSi
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Topic author: Jedirock
Subject: Future of HiSi Hi everyone,
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Posted on: 04/15/2003 1:42:23 PM
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We're looking to the future for our HiSi feature and would like to get your input. We feel that we've just scratched the surface on HiSi and would like to get your thoughts on where we should take it. Please comment here. Thanks, SK.
Reply author: Cool4u2view
Replied on: 04/15/2003 3:02:07 PM
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-One of the three big stations I get is in spanish (99.9). Sometimes I listen to it and hear many things I don't understand. Many times there will be a catchy song and I will have absolutly no idea who sings it or what it is called. For songs in spanish HiSi is totally off.
-If it would be possible to get lyrics based on the HiSi result it would be really useful. There are three things I never know about songs on the radio... the title, artist, and the lyrics.
-Jeff
Reply author: TBone
Replied on: 04/20/2003 12:25:38 PM
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If we get a "best guess" instead of a solid answer, could we have the ability to browse the, say, best 10 guesses?
-- OVER the underpass! UNDER the overpass! Around the FUTURE and BEYOND REPAIR!!
Reply author: banksae
Replied on: 04/21/2003 08:29:42 AM
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This has been mentioned before, but ID3 tag correction. I'll admit, I was lazy when ripping CDs, now I've got a lot of tracks that I would like to have the year/album/genre/etc, corrected.
Reply author: Cool4u2view
Replied on: 04/21/2003 11:55:01 AM
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If there was ID3 correction it is very important that it asks before correcting.
-Jeff
Reply author: DP
Replied on: 05/22/2003 8:54:16 PM
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Instant HiSi.
On an internet connected Neuros (via WiFi, bluetooth, USB, or whatever), HiSi will access the database and display results immediately after acquiring the music signature.
DP
Reply author: mynameispekka(at)hotmail.com
Replied on: 07/09/2003 03:36:24 AM
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Is there possibility to use HiSi to mass correct ID tags on PC.
Reply author: paulie1000
Replied on: 07/09/2003 08:35:31 AM
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Anything is possible. We had a small discussion about this here: http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=964.
It would probably take quite a while to do this with HiSi, though.
~Paul
Reply author: core24
Replied on: 07/09/2003 9:45:58 PM
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Linux HiSi!!!
For those of us who will not be using NSM ever or very often, a Linux HiSi client would be nice.
-core24
Reply author: Sean Starkey
Replied on: 07/09/2003 9:55:07 PM
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NDBM will support HiSi soon.
Sean Starkey - Project Manager for Neuros Database Manipulator - http://neurosdbm.sourceforge.net
Reply author: viqsi
Replied on: 09/27/2003 10:40:45 PM
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Originally posted by Starkey
NDBM will support HiSi soon.
How soon is "soon", given that it's been about two and a half months since last anything's been said about this?
Reply author: Don
Replied on: 09/29/2003 10:55:19 AM
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I saw it mentioned once before, but being able to link into a purchase would be a convenience to the users and presumably generate some referal commissions for DI.
Reply author: luigi6699
Replied on: 10/22/2003 11:09:15 PM
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Originally posted by banksae
This has been mentioned before, but ID3 tag correction. I'll admit, I was lazy when ripping CDs, now I've got a lot of tracks that I would like to have the year/album/genre/etc, corrected.
YES YES YES YES YES! There are no applications out there (that i can find) that accomplish this task. it wouldn't even need to be done by MiSi... it could simply be done with automated CDDB searches based on filename and what ID3 info is on the file, displaying possible results for the users.
but it would be pretty awesome if it could be done by misi. talk about a sale-clincher for the neuros!
captain underpants AWAAAAAY!
Reply author: den.st
Replied on: 10/23/2003 12:19:49 AM
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my $.02:
1 provide open API to query server
2 provide open API to add info to server
3 open algorithm to take "fingerprints"
such way a significant mp3\ogg\music community will be exited about neuros "fingerprints" and DI will get free advertisement among us geeks at no cost (note - absolutely legal, without any well known copyright problems this times) and definitely will jump over competitors with their shy music abilities
Dennis
Reply author: Don
Replied on: 10/23/2003 06:57:51 AM
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Originally posted by den.st
my $.02:
<comments about open! open! open!>
DI will get free advertisement among us geeks at no cost (note - absolutely legal, without any well known copyright problems this times) and definitely will jump over competitors with their shy music abilities
You have to balance free advertising against giving away the store.
There has been some concern posted that they don't want to pay to support a service that is so open that people can use it without actually having a Neuros.
Maybe they could have access controlled by a key hashed off your serial number, and the usual secure key transmission methods. If a key shows way excessive use (indicating it has "gotten loose," then you get shut down.
-Don
Reply author: den.st
Replied on: 10/23/2003 12:41:04 PM
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You have to balance free advertising against giving away the store.
There has been some concern posted that they don't want to pay to support a service that is so open that people can use it without actually having a Neuros.
Good point. I was thinking about it... Here is the thing: protecting technology won't really help to grow it - I bet I can come up with something like this by myself (well, I agree it won't be as robust as it is by DI at the beginning...), you don't have to be Einstein to do it. Thus, sooner or later, similar things will appear. If DI will direct the "wave" - DI will greatly benefit from it (except of, probably, paying for hosting the server and support of back-end, which can be resolved as well, lets leave it apart, this is different story).
So, I think (and I can prove it), if DI will lead in the process - DI will profit at least (which is a lot already) by pushing HiSi to masses and being the only player that have such technology on it. It is the matter of time other manufactures will implement something similar IMHO.
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Hosting and back-end: it is possible to create kinda distributed network for exchange digital fingerprints, or mirrors to host such collections... At least the way it is done with CDDB.
... digital millennium
Dennis
Reply author: JoeBorn
Replied on: 10/24/2003 3:37:14 PM
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Originally posted by den.st
Good point. I was thinking about it... Here is the thing: protecting technology won't really help to grow it - I bet I can come up with something like this by myself (well, I agree it won't be as robust as it is by DI at the beginning...), you don't have to be Einstein to do it. Thus, sooner or later, similar things will appear. If DI will direct the "wave" - DI will greatly benefit from it (except of, probably, paying for hosting the server and support of back-end, which can be resolved as well, lets leave it apart, this is different story).
So, I think (and I can prove it), if DI will lead in the process - DI will profit at least (which is a lot already) by pushing HiSi to masses and being the only player that have such technology on it. It is the matter of time other manufactures will implement something similar IMHO.
---
Hosting and back-end: it is possible to create kinda distributed network for exchange digital fingerprints, or mirrors to host such collections... At least the way it is done with CDDB.
... digital millennium
Dennis
fundamentally, I agree, but there are two issues. The first is compensating the various partners in the chain. We license the technology that makes HiSi possible and we need to compensate those folks and we need to find a way to do that in any model. If we pay them for every download, it could get expensive.
Second is simply the setup costs. Creating both the front end and the algorithms that discern which user entered data should be accepted and which rejected will take some work. Any volunteers interested in helping :) ?
jborn@neurosaudio.com
Reply author: den.st
Replied on: 10/24/2003 4:50:39 PM
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The first is compensating the various partners in the chain. We license the technology that makes HiSi possible and we need to compensate those folks and we need to find a way to do that in any model. If we pay them for every download, it could get expensive.
I did not see that coming , somewhere deep inside I hoped that DI own this technology.
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Second is simply the setup costs. Creating both the front end and the algorithms that discern which user entered data should be accepted and which rejected will take some work.
I don't really believe there is a way to limit access to front end (to the "HiSi fingerprints database") if you will "open" something. You guys have to come up with another plan to do it without putting any restriction (which seems possible btw).
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Any volunteers interested in helping :) ?
Yep
Dennis
Reply author: alecm
Replied on: 10/26/2003 3:44:10 PM
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Originally posted by JoeBorn
fundamentally, I agree, but there are two issues. The first is compensating the various partners in the chain. We license the technology that makes HiSi possible and we need to compensate those folks and we need to find a way to do that in any model. If we pay them for every download, it could get expensive.
Second is simply the setup costs. Creating both the front end and the algorithms that discern which user entered data should be accepted and which rejected will take some work. Any volunteers interested in helping :) ?
jborn@neurosaudio.com
It seems to me that Musicbrainz http://www.musicbrainz.org/ provides pretty much the same functionality, in an open manner, including a way to rate the data quality, and an already large existing volunteer base.
Reply author: alecmoody(at)shellshockede.com
Replied on: 12/12/2003 03:38:58 AM
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This is off topic
hah, your name is alec m? So is mine. Dont meet too many people named alec either. 
Reply author: Ling
Replied on: 12/12/2003 04:30:02 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by den.st
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I don't really believe there is a way to limit access to front end (to the "HiSi fingerprints database") if you will "open" something. You guys have to come up with another plan to do it without putting any restriction (which seems possible btw).
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Why can't they implement some type of authentication on the front end. Do a one-time Hisi registration via SS that stores a key/hash based on Nueros serial number/ User name/ Password, just a thought. This does not seem that difficult, but certainly takes some effort and is not free.
Yada yada 3768 128/20 Bundle... Inquiring minds want to know
Reply author: dommel
Replied on: 01/31/2004 10:08:07 AM
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And another would-be-nice-to-have-cause-you-have-quite-some-users-abroad item :
If i understand correctly you use american radio stations playlists to search for songs. Couldn't you do the same with several european channels, so we can really benefit from it?
I would definetely advise Studio Brussel (www.studiobrussel.be) one of the best alternative radio stations in the world!!!
Reply author: webkid
Replied on: 02/01/2004 01:21:04 AM
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DI doesn't market to anyone outside of the US. 
Besides, they're not the ones that manage the playlists; some other company that DI queries is.
Reply author: dommel
Replied on: 02/01/2004 03:50:51 AM
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Originally posted by webkid
DI doesn't market to anyone outside of the US.
Besides, they're not the ones that manage the playlists; some other company that DI queries is.
Yeah yeah, i know
, but i don't think having no official non-US customers should keep DI from trying to meet their needs either.They will ship abroad sooner or later, and currently us spreading our opinion is the only marketing strategy they've got in europe, so a little proactivity might come in handy, no?
Reply author: K-Man666
Replied on: 02/11/2004 07:41:52 AM
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I posted this in another forum before:
It would be nice to have a 'ADD TO HiSi DB'-wishlist, where every Gamma user could add f.e. their 20 fovorite tunes.
This list should be committed to the company keeping the fingerprints then.
Kaspar (The German Guy)
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