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Topic author: rem
Subject: when will the new 442 be available?
Posted on: 05/14/2006 5:50:08 PM
Message:

hi,

i'm new here. i just purchased the n2 mp3 player because it is a very good deal for an 80 gig player. been searching around for a player that uses a regular 2.5" laptop drive. thank you neuros.

anyway, i passed up the 442 in favor of the newer 442 everyone is waiting on. any news on when this is coming out. i'd like to get this also.

hue.

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Reply author: American Techpusher
Replied on: 05/14/2006 7:18:53 PM
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There has not yet been a date released yet by Neuros. You are certainly not alone in waiting for the New 442.

Keith Ashwood
American Techpushers (#1 Neuros reseller)

www.americantechpushers.com

Reply author: steve.golber(at)wachoviasec.com
Replied on: 05/22/2006 4:59:20 PM
Message:

Any word from the Boss on the release date of the 442v2. I have the original, I need new now.

quote:
Originally posted by rem

hi,

i'm new here. i just purchased the n2 mp3 player because it is a very good deal for an 80 gig player. been searching around for a player that uses a regular 2.5" laptop drive. thank you neuros.

anyway, i passed up the 442 in favor of the newer 442 everyone is waiting on. any news on when this is coming out. i'd like to get this also.

hue.

steve

Reply author: ice.skillz
Replied on: 05/23/2006 5:41:19 PM
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-_- People are becoming annoying with the demands from the new model. Just be patient. "GIMME NEW MODEL NOW" kind of thing is rude to the people working trying to make this happen. i guess its goog to see people wanting to new model so bad. But just be patient

like my sig

Reply author: Gunderstorm
Replied on: 05/26/2006 09:14:01 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by ice.skillz

People are becoming annoying with the demands from the new model. Just be patient.

like my sig

These boards seem to be dead otherwise.

Now that LOST is done for the season, I'm guessing my 442 will stay parked for the foreseeable future. It would be nice to know when.

Reply author: raider73
Replied on: 05/26/2006 10:25:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ice.skillz

-_- People are becoming annoying with the demands from the new model. Just be patient. "GIMME NEW MODEL NOW" kind of thing is rude to the people working trying to make this happen. i guess its goog to see people wanting to new model so bad. But just be patient

Of course we're trying to be patient but it seems that there is no support for the current 442 or progress on the new 442. I hear good things about the Cowon A2 and that product is getting firmware updates all the time unlike us.

Reply author: Uriah
Replied on: 05/27/2006 6:32:18 PM
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I will have to agree that demanding to know when the 442v2 will be out is kinda offensive.

Unfortunutaly, I think most would like some kind of update as to when the product will be available. There is a mark in the Wiki (yeah, yeah, yeah, unreliable source) that the 442v2 would be out 2Q06. If I can read a calendar correctly, there is less than a week befor we go into 3Q06...

I think its cool that Rasterman is working on the UI, and it is going to take him some time befor his end will be done. Expecialy at the glacial speeds of doing things natively, but does the hardware exist yet? Should we be expecting them in time for Xmas? Will the 442v2, R2, and N3 all be released at once?

PS-> The 442v1 costs less than the A2 and has twice the hard drive of the A2, so I dont realy see much compatition between the two, even more so when the v2 comes out. If the v1 supported FLAC I would buy it now, but since all the next gens will be open, I know I can add it in later. All I have to be is patient.

Reply author: JEFFH
Replied on: 05/28/2006 10:57:57 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Uriah

PS-> The 442v1 costs less than the A2 and has twice the hard drive of the A2, so I dont realy see much compatition between the two,

a Friend of mine purchased a Cowon A2 with 30GB for $375 at Newegg.com,
It is very nice but the big drawback is it does not record.
Archos Pocketdish that will download Thru USB on my dish DVR receiver as well as record from analog has been tempting me.
I belive however Neuros goal is to release the best player/recorder possible. Please try and give them the time and breathing room to make it happen.
I totally belive in Neuros and the 442V2 and will wait for it.

Reply author: Uriah
Replied on: 05/28/2006 12:39:39 PM
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Ooops... s/compatition/comparison/

quote:
Originally posted by JEFFH

quote:
Originally posted by Uriah

PS-> The 442v1 costs less than the A2 and has twice the hard drive of the A2, so I dont realy see much compatition between the two,

a Friend of mine purchased a Cowon A2 with 30GB for $375 at Newegg.com,
It is very nice but the big drawback is it does not record.
Archos Pocketdish that will download Thru USB on my dish DVR receiver as well as record from analog has been tempting me.
I belive however Neuros goal is to release the best player/recorder possible. Please try and give them the time and breathing room to make it happen.
I totally belive in Neuros and the 442V2 and will wait for it.

I forgot that the A2 can not record. That still goes to show that the 442 is twice the product as the A2 and still costs less.

I have been following in the wings for who knows how long (when was it first publicly mentioned that neuros was going open?) so as to purchase their product. I do not wish for them to rush it out the door and start releasing patches every few days like some products. Keeping an eye on the forums and developer boards tends to lend one to the thought that product probably wont be available until after Thanksgiving, although the Wiki has second quarter marked as the expected date.

I actualy got rather stoked when I first saw that Wiki entry. Someone may wish to change it. People screaming "Please be patient" is not going to correct the view that some has picked up that the 442v2 will be out soon or do anything else other than errode ones patience.

I am not asking to have it in my hands right now. Seeing whats in being chatted about in the developer list, I dont want what they have right now. I just wish to know, how long should I go back to sleep for? I do not wish to bother the devoloper lists as they have plenty of things on their plate.

PS-> Just found the Wiki page, and I was wrong. It mentioned First Quarter.
http://www.theneuros.com/index.php/Category_Roadmap:442

Reply author: Flamethrower
Replied on: 05/28/2006 3:30:25 PM
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a2 does not record? Check again, it records quite well, I use it for that all the time.

Reply author: JEFFH
Replied on: 05/30/2006 09:31:17 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Flamethrower

a2 does not record? Check again, it records quite well, I use it for that all the time.

Your Right,
I just checked the Specs on there website and it can record video.
My friend just didn't know everything it could do when I asked him.

Reply author: ice.skillz
Replied on: 05/31/2006 9:50:02 PM
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hmm, The A2 seems very nice at this point. . .

like my sig

Reply author: kcf45
Replied on: 06/01/2006 08:23:31 AM
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The silence regarding the features and release date for 442v2 is indeed disturbing. There never was an adequate explanation as to why 640x480 recording, which was promised as an immediate upgrade for v1, was never implemented. The audio features are barely features (a $29 mp3 player does better), and the 2 firmware upgrades so far have not adddressed a single priority item on our wish lists. In the meantime, archos and cowon are building and enhancing mature products.

I have decided to invoke my money-back return option on my v1 this week and spend my refund (whenever that shows up) elsewhere.

Reply author: raider73
Replied on: 06/01/2006 2:22:41 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by kcf45

The silence regarding the features and release date for 442v2 is indeed disturbing. There never was an adequate explanation as to why 640x480 recording, which was promised as an immediate upgrade for v1, was never implemented. The audio features are barely features (a $29 mp3 player does better), and the 2 firmware upgrades so far have not adddressed a single priority item on our wish lists. In the meantime, archos and cowon are building and enhancing mature products.

I have decided to invoke my money-back return option on my v1 this week and spend my refund (whenever that shows up) elsewhere.

I'm thinking the same thing if the v2 isn't released anytime soon. It's only 4 more weeks till Q3 and we haven't heard anything. It doesn't matter if the product is good or not but our money is getting wasted waiting for the v2 since I can return the v1 for $330 and just buy the refurbished v1 directly from Neuros on ebay for only $199. If Neuros takes any longer to have the v2, they will probably have to lower the market price especially if Archos and Cowon does so w/ their PMPs then the upgrade options are no longer as enticing. Of course, my decision all depends on the pricing scheme for the v2.

Reply author: mrandre
Replied on: 06/05/2006 9:36:18 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by kcf45

The silence regarding the features and release date for 442v2 is indeed disturbing. There never was an adequate explanation as to why 640x480 recording, which was promised as an immediate upgrade for v1, was never implemented. The audio features are barely features (a $29 mp3 player does better), and the 2 firmware upgrades so far have not adddressed a single priority item on our wish lists. In the meantime, archos and cowon are building and enhancing mature products.

I have decided to invoke my money-back return option on my v1 this week and spend my refund (whenever that shows up) elsewhere.

So did it work ?
Is the process of "early" return documented somewhere ?

Not only do we get NO updates on what is going on with development but the google group also has VERY little activity. I wonder how many people are working on it full time (if any).

Some information and a reasonable timetable would be really nice.

--A

Reply author: kcf45
Replied on: 06/06/2006 3:10:45 PM
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I called support for instructions. I had to email my request with my Woot! order number. In short order, I received a reply with an RMA number and address to return the unit (and all original accessories).

They say I'll get my refund check 2-3 weeks after the unit is received.

Reply author: jscott1
Replied on: 06/08/2006 11:53:34 PM
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I haven't been on this board since March and I came back hoping for at least some shred of evidence that progress was being made and there is none.

I bought the 442V1 thinking that the V2 was imminent. That's how it was sold. The fact that the V2 is not out yet is very disappointing. The lack of news on V2 or firmware updates for V1 is even more disturbing.

I'm about ready to give up waiting and look for a better product elsewhere. By the time the 442V2 comes out it will be very obsolete.

Reply author: truen
Replied on: 06/22/2006 09:28:41 AM
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this topic is depressing :( maybe i shall call in and get a refund..

Reply author: JEFFH
Replied on: 06/22/2006 1:18:08 PM
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My guess is the 442V2 won't be available untill the end of the year but thats just my guess.
anyone who wants to know how the development is progressing should read the google group postings of the ongoing development of 442v2 & recorder3

Reply author: kcmark
Replied on: 06/28/2006 2:46:47 PM
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Unbelievable. I remember when I signed up for the Gamma testing through Woot we were told that in exchange for shelling out $400 to test the 442 and post our opinions of the 442, we would, within the next 6 months, end up with an updated fully functioning device regardless of whether we chose to upgrade to the newer open source model. We're now approaching 9 months and I'm still stuck with basically an analog to digital video recorder with modest playback abilities (still can't see the whole file name to figure out which episode I'm playing) and horrible music playback abilities (you can't even browse for the next song while the thing plays).

Why should we believe that Neuros will be any more responsive to user needs with the new 442v2 when it is apparent that there is comparatively little concern for EXISTING customers using the existing 442. We are told we can get the new model for a "deeply discounted price" but this doesn't include the fact that we already shelled out a large chunk of money for a very primitive model with a UI that is universally agreed to be terrible. We are/were the early adopters that were willing to help Neuros in its development and now, unless we're willing to give Neuros even MORE money, we're stuck with a product that is cumbersome to use as a video player (great as a video recorder though) and pretty much worthless as an audio player and/or photo viewer.

The 2 firmware upgrades have done VERY little to improve the usefullness of the 442 to the consumer, nor has Neuros mgmt given us any solid timetable as to when we'll get to upgrade our handicapped 442 for something better. I'm not "demanding" to know when the new version will be available, but maybe you guys are right and it's time to return the 442 for a refund. I don't expect perfection out of my media player but many of the requests are extremely basic changes that really should have been included from the outset.

kcmark

Reply author: andrew
Replied on: 06/29/2006 5:36:58 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by kcmark

Why should we believe that Neuros will be any more responsive to user needs with the new 442v2 when it is apparent that there is comparatively little concern for EXISTING customers using the existing 442.

So far, they have taken all of the user comments posted in the dev group very seriously[1]. There have also been several scheduled IRC chats[2] with the people developing stuff. If you wanted to have input, you would have been welcomed. If you don't want to keep informed and just want to complain, I don't think Neuros or anyone else can do anything for you.

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The 2 firmware upgrades have done VERY little to improve the usefullness of the 442 to the consumer, nor has Neuros mgmt given us any solid timetable as to when we'll get to upgrade our handicapped 442 for something better.

The current 442 was not developed by Neuros, it was repackaged by them from another company (search this forum for details). This means that they have only as much control over the current product as makes sense for them to pay for. At the moment it appears that it would cost them too much to develop those few features on this current dead-end system. The 442v2 looks to be shaping up very well so far from what I have been reading on the available resources.

I just posted my thoughts about the release date and what not in another topic[3].

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/Neuros-DM320Hardware
[2] http://open.neurosaudio.com/search/node/irc
[3] http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7306

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