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| kgf |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 11:29:09 AM
Hi:
I'm using the next-to-the-latest firmware (waiting until neurosdbm can do the new artist->album thing before I go 2.14) and I am STILL encountering skips during playback.
They aren't as bad as they used to be, but they're maybe about a 1/2 second or so. Today in particular I seem to be having a lot..maybe I'm just noticing them more.
I notice in the readme for the 2.14 beta there is no mention of the skips, and it claims there are no outstanding issues. Am I the only one hearing these skips? They're quite annoying...it's like someone had bumped your CD player during playback (well, not that dramatic, but you get the idea).
Note, this is NOT the old broken-record skipping problem from several firmware revs ago...the skipping was happening DURING playback, seemingly at random even back then. It's not as bad as it was, but it still happens. Are there plans to finally fix this?
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| squinn124(at)comcast.net |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 2:21:44 PM
I too am experiencing the skip problem, my songs are all mp3's. The songs will play and randomly skip ahead a few seconds when the song ends it then replays about the last 20 seconds of the song. The skip ahead part sometimes is not even noticable but the replay of the end of the song is quite annoying.
Steve |
| encosion's neuros died again... encosion has left the building in a huff, never to return... |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 12:18:53 PM
same place : http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html
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| webkid |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 12:05:10 PM
Got a link? |
| Matthias Halibrand |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 02:49:17 AM
That was my guess. I used GT3b2, too, for a long time and encountered these problems. Try Megamix2 for testingf purpose, that's much better! I think the problem with GT is the bitrate-jump! But I really don't know!
Cheers,
Matthias
Liebe und Frieden ... |
| encosion's neuros died again... encosion has left the building in a huff, never to return... |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 08:09:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Matthias Halibrand : Which ogg-encoder did you usually use? I think I noticed differences between them, but I couldn't sort them out, yet! Your info would be cool!
oggdropXPd 1.7.11 using GT3b2 [23.06.2004]
http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html
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| Matthias Halibrand |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 06:39:35 AM
encosion:
Which ogg-encoder did you usually use? I think I noticed differences between them, but I couldn't sort them out, yet! Your info would be cool!
THX
Matthias
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| webkid |
Posted - 09/15/2004 : 12:05:38 PM
I dunno. With all the battering and punishment my N has gone through, you'd think mine performed worse. But I get no skips... zero, via headphones with -q6. MyFi I get roughly one an hour, and that's on the industrial tracks.
Have not noticed a power issue, but then, I have mine plugged in a lot. |
| encosion's neuros died again... encosion has left the building in a huff, never to return... |
Posted - 09/15/2004 : 10:06:14 AM
here's my decision on the subject of OGG playback : having gone from "-q7" GTb2 encoded OGGs to "-q6" ..and then down to "-q5" : i've finally decided to ditch OGG playback on the neuros as i've found it unsatisfactory ..it's currently stacked with "-q5" OGGs, transcoded from FLAC, sync'd with NDBM, on FW 2.24
. .. ...but i'm still getting skips during playback ..i've even checked that some of the more troublesome files are indeed bit perfect on the neuros' drive using the SFV files i made ..they even playback perfectly in foobar2000 0.83 and winamp 5.04 straight from the neuros' hardrive when connected as a removeable drive via usb... . .
. .. ...another reason for ditching OGG for now is that i've a hunch that it actually consumes more power than MP3 playback ..i haven't tested this of course - that's why it's just an unfounded 'hunch' ..but i could swear i've noticed a power bar dropping when OGG files are played { and no it's not placebo, 'cos i actually really wanted OGG to work for me }... .. .
so in the end { for now at least } : i've opted to transcode from FLAC to MP3 LAME 3.96.1 (stable) "--alt-preset extreme" for neuros playback instead... .. .
. .. ...but not that i expect anyone to care about my personal decisions .[!].. heheheh... .. .
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| webkid |
Posted - 05/31/2004 : 3:22:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by kgf
It is not a problem with the Ogg file since it plays fine on my PC.
Guess you didn't listen hard enough... |
| kgf |
Posted - 05/31/2004 : 06:26:27 AM
Ah..silly me. Did some investigation into that track where I had the "reproducable" skip. Turns out it's part of the song itself (ie not a defect). It just a very fast transition that almost sounds like a defect. :)
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| rochers |
Posted - 05/29/2004 : 09:58:39 AM
I used mostly WMA's and I hear the skips too...they are encoded at 192kpbs. |
| webkid |
Posted - 05/29/2004 : 01:33:49 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kgf
The random skip surely isn't just caused by CD defects is it?
Doubtful. Just a lack of power in the device. Those skips are buffer underruns. I wonder if there was a way to increase the buffer size of Ogg playback...
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| kgf |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 12:37:52 PM
The random skip surely isn't just caused by CD defects is it? Are any MP3 users hearing these skips?
Is this an "open issue" at all with Neuros? Just curious. |
| kborn(at)neurosaudio.com |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 12:25:35 PM
Try another media player. I can hear defects on some players, and not on others.
You might want to try re-ripping the song.
If it's a skip in the same place, then it is on the file. The garden variety chirping problem we all talk about is random, sometimes is happens in some places on some songs, and then when you replay, it won't do it again.
As an aside, I was talking to an engineer from our parent company (of sorts) that makes the Skip Dr. One interesting thing he told me is that all CDs have errors in the files. But as soon as you rip or burn a CD, its RIDDLED with errors, most of which you can't hear. Like you may notice it takes a lot to scratch a CD you get from the store, and CDs I burn myself get scratched very badly, very easily.
K
Neuros Support |
| nxg125 |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 11:40:28 AM
quote:
No, I wasn't referring to the power of the player, I was referring to the file itself; it's not "flawed" in any way.
I think Chameleon's point is that maybe there is something about this file such that the Neuros is having trouble decoding it. Maybe it can't decode it in real time, for example, but your PC can because it is many times more powerful.
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Who would I send the file to? Is there an email address or contact for that?
I would say probably Kathryn... kborn(at)neurosaudio.com
--Nick
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| kgf |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 11:34:04 AM
No, I wasn't referring to the power of the player, I was referring to the file itself; it's not "flawed" in any way.
Who would I send the file to? Is there an email address or contact for that? |
| Chameleon |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 11:08:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kgf
Interesting. I've finally got a reproducable "skip". I just got my new Starseeds CD yesterday and encoded it -q5 (as I usually do). The first track, "Starman", skips every time in the same place, within the first 10-15 seconds of play.
Consider sending that track in to DI for analysis.
quote:
Originally posted by kgf
It is not a problem with the Ogg file since it plays fine on my PC.
Of course your PC is only what, 100 times more powerful than the Neuros?
-- 'I switched to Vorbis and saved a bunch on my hard-disk space!' |
| kgf |
Posted - 05/28/2004 : 07:41:11 AM
Interesting. I've finally got a reproducable "skip". I just got my new Starseeds CD yesterday and encoded it -q5 (as I usually do). The first track, "Starman", skips every time in the same place, within the first 10-15 seconds of play.
It is not a problem with the Ogg file since it plays fine on my PC. |
| darren |
Posted - 05/26/2004 : 9:58:18 PM
Happens to me too. I encoded all my CDs recently with cdex 1.51 using 1.0.1 at q5. Of course, I also find these skips annoying. They seem to happen more frequently with q6 encoded oggs, so I figure it is just the 2.x way of handling oggs. Instead of the high pitched chirp/skip of the 1.x firmware, now you get a silent skip. I can tolerate the silent skip much better than the chirp/skip. I almost went back to MP3s because of that chirping. |
| adam.williamson1(at)btinternet.com |
Posted - 05/26/2004 : 6:16:59 PM
same problem here, 100% ogg collection. exactly as kgf describes it. doesn't bother me overmuch, but would be nice if it was fixed.
adamw |
