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Paul Shinn(Lossless Compression Guy)
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 Posted - 12/30/2003 : 09:33:16 AM
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I was wondering when will we get Lossless audio formats?
flac.sourceforge.net
www.monkeysaudio.com
both of these are Open Source Software!!!!!!!
the R*O Ka*MA 20GB uses FLAC.....
what about us?
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Don
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 09:54:21 AM
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Originally posted by Paul Shinn(Lossless Compression Guy)
the R*O Ka*MA 20GB uses FLAC.....
I kinda wonder about flac on the Karma... to me the reason to have flac on a portable is so you can record things to it which you later want to edit, burn, etc. But the Karma doesn't record. For just playing back a high rate lossy should sound as good and use less battery and disk space.
One case I can think of is that you could have a hearing defect that renders the models used in lossy encoding invalid.. so you can't hear the high volume sound at one frequency that is supposed to mask the quiet sound at a different frequency.
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Paul Shinn(Lossless Compression Guy)
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 10:10:06 AM
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ok forget the karma
I collect music is FLAC format and it would be easier to just sync than to convert then sync?
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Don
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 11:40:28 AM
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It would be less operations, but more transfer time per album and
less albums held on the player.
2 good solutions for me would be a) Xiph gets peeling working for ogg
(so you can translate high rate file quickly to low rate files with no extra quality loss), or b) mpc playing as that format is very fast to transcode from flac and is relatively high quality for it's range of 128 kb/s and up.
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Paul Shinn(Lossless Compression Guy)
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 11:56:32 AM
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all well and good but there are 1000's of people with flac files
running around
just check http://www.etree.org
and Neuros would be adding a new market
I can hold anywhere from 15-30 live shows of Groups with 20GB
thats hours and hours of music
music that has never been destroyed by mp3 format!
people who are audio traders don't do the dirty(use mp3's for live shows)
I agree ogg is good but having FLAC as well as.. would be better!!!
for us few thousand folks!
Miles of Smiles
-Paul
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Don
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 3:56:39 PM
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I agree totally that lossless is better for live recording & distribution. Thus it would be a GREAT feature for Neuros.
There are a couple of local bands (Phish and Jazz Mandolin Project) that allow taping and I would do it to wav if flac isn't available.
I still don't think I would keep anything on the Neuros in Flac format past the next synch after I recorded it.
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Paul Shinn(Lossless Compression Guy)
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Posted - 12/30/2003 : 4:19:53 PM
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you got me!!!
but still I am pro FLAC hope someone develops it!! |
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Yono
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Posted - 12/31/2003 : 3:22:53 PM
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Phish is local to you! That's awesome. Anyway, yeah flac would be a great idea just not one nessesary at this time.
[img]http://www.danasoft.com/sig/neurosaudios.jpg[/img] |
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Cool4u2view
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Posted - 12/31/2003 : 6:33:17 PM
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For lossless (and no compression) the Neuros supports WAV, hopefully in the future there will be FLAC support though.
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rocketman768
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Posted - 01/01/2004 : 6:50:21 PM
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| In other words, let the firmware go open source and lossless junkies who are ALSO programming junkies will jump on it. |
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webkid
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Posted - 02/19/2004 : 1:43:53 PM
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Lossless programming junkies are a rare breed.
However, I want to bump this thread, as I still want to have lossless playback on my device, too. And it may be a long, long while before the firmware is opened up.
(Edit: Before somebody catches me on it, lossless compressed playback. ) |
Edited by - webkid on 02/19/2004 1:44:49 PM |
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chad(at)gambit.net
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 01:00:53 AM
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Another bump, as I've decided since I have to re-rip everything anyway, I might as well use FLAC instead of OGG.
On a side note, anyone have a suggestion for a ripping program that's FLAC compatible for someone who doesn't want to give up CDex? (If he added FLAC support and compressed file to compressed file conversion (FLAC > Vorbis > MP3, etc.) then I wouldn't change. |
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webkid
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 01:58:57 AM
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Windows: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/
Also works in Linux using Wine, but that seems silly for ripping/converting.
You'll need to download dMC, and the FLAC codec. |
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ALecs
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 07:52:26 AM
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Lossless playback would be hell on your battery life since you'd need to run your HD a LOT more than for MP3s.
I suppose some players can get away with it if they use much smaller and lower-power hard disks. The Neuros uses a 2.5" HD that draws a fair amount of current, I suppose. I vote to bite the bullet and recompress.
Under linux, you should be able to do this without having to use the extra disk space on your PC. 'flac -d -c <file> | lame [encoding options] - </path/to/neuros/filename>'
Pipes are your friends. :)
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chad(at)gambit.net
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 09:52:55 AM
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Aha, but I plan on getting a 256MB Neuros II to use with my old HDD backpack and caniballizing the old head for a little side-project I have planned. (Can you say: The Ultimate Neuros Case Mod? Yeah, I knew you could!) I figure 256MB should be enough to cache a good amount of FLAC audio and keep about the same battery life I have now.
So c'mon, DI... Where's the FLAC? Give us some FLAC! |
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Sean Starkey
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Shabbazz
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 1:11:17 PM
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The "lossless" issue is the only thing keeping me from buying a Neuros. I have thousands of hours of live music in shn and flac (and there are thousands of other people just like me).
I want to go completely digital with my music collection, but I refuse to encode them to mp3. And wavs are just way too damn big...
PLEASE listen to the suggestions here and support flac and\or shn. You will have digital audiophiles coming out of the woodwork to buy your product if you do. |
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webkid
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 2:51:19 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Shabbazz
PLEASE listen to the suggestions here and support flac and\or shn. You will have digital audiophiles coming out of the woodwork to buy your product if you do.
And don't forget Monkey's Audio. |
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gentlewhisper
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Posted - 08/19/2004 : 06:27:00 AM
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I have been lurking here for a while.. and this is my first post!
But yeah, the only thing stopping me from buying a Neuros is lack of FLAC support.
Come on, some fanboys here might come up with excuses and reasons about why not to have FLAC on the device, I'd tell them to keep their opinions to themselves :)
They are not us. Besides with FLAC support I'm sure many lurkers would emerge and buy the device! Which is something that a small company like neuros can afford to pass up on! What's the issue here? DRM? Hardware? If the device can support OGG which is so tough to decode, surely flac is no problem?
Go go! FLAC! |
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Sean Starkey
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American Techpusher
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Posted - 08/19/2004 : 08:35:35 AM
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With the firmware on the brink of being opened up to the public, I be willing to bet that one of the first things you will see is FLAC implemented
Keith Ashwood
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