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k-mouse
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 Posted - 12/14/2004 : 1:03:22 PM
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Just to make it clear, everything posted does not have any relation to the people making the Neuros, these are just some ideas I had in mind, and wanted to share with you.
Well anyway, I made some images on how I would like Neuros 3 to look like. The most major changes I have done from Neuros II, are mostly these three things:
1. I have used a 1.8" hard drive, as I would like in the real product as well...so the device will become much smaller.
2. I have made it, so that the hard drive is pulled inside the Neuros (take a look at the images).
3. I have also replaced some of the buttons. [Edit: Replaced them back to the original]
[Edit: All of the images are now updated to the new design]
Yeah, here are the goodies:
Image 1 Yup, here it is
Image 2 From another view
Image 3 A little closeup
Image 4 from the other side
Image 5 Top-view
Compared to the old Neuros I/II
Small image of it(lookes cute, doesn't it? )
The first designJust in case you want to take a look at the old design, here is a picture of it.
Some of the things I'm not completely sure about:
-The placement of the buttons. Maybe the "old style" is better?
-Maybe the screen is a little big? (I can easily make it the original :P)
-Do you guys think it's possible to make it this small at all?
-And how big are the batteries (physical dimension)?
Come with any suggestion, comments, or whatever you want to say about these ideas/images...
Btw, if you want to take a closer look at it, you can download the Sketchup 3d-model from here. If you don't have it already, you can get Sketchup from this site. |
Edited by - k-mouse on 12/14/2004 3:46:03 PM
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Jet_Jaguar
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Posted - 12/14/2004 : 2:15:58 PM
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| one of the things I don't like about the current Neuros is that the quick buttons are easily pushed accidentally, which can cause confusion. In your version, the buttons look like they would be even more prone to accidental activation. |
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Yono
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Posted - 12/14/2004 : 3:01:10 PM
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Thats a really cool design, I can see you put a lot of effort into it. However, K has mentioned that they are aiming for N3 to be 1-piece. However, it is really cool how you did this, but you would need a lock specifically for the preset/recording buttons.
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k-mouse
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Posted - 12/14/2004 : 3:37:16 PM
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Thanks for replys :P
As for the keylock, I totally forgot about that, and I have also fixed the buttons so that they are position the same way as in Neuros I/II.
And as a matter of fact, it "only" took me about 2 hours to make this thing. That program is a really cool and easy 3d-modeller (or whatever its called). |
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JoeBorn
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Posted - 12/14/2004 : 7:04:12 PM
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it's very cool! when I get back to the office I can post some others that we've received too
jborn (at) neurosaudio.com |
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Zithromax
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Posted - 12/15/2004 : 10:28:51 PM
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| Yes, it is cool, if by cool you mean lame and unimaginative. It looks almost exactly like the current design. The current design is simple and functional, but it still needs to be tweaked a little. |
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kbon
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 1:19:50 PM
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Nice one k-mouse!
It looks very similar to the current stuff, but that's not bad, I quite like the simplistic design.
The "slide in" hard disc is really sweet, but I guess it's not going to happen :)
Did you also think about "real" improvements, I mean, other than design?
Sure, a small unit is a pleasure to carry in your pocket, but what about a kind of interface for it so it can be used as an image bank (think about a CF slot, a higher resolution screen, preferrably able to display pictures,...)
Those are features I'm much more interested in then a small unit,though size _does_ matter eventually. Maybe a "universal connector" type of thingie at the bottom so the Neuros can interface to a docking station or a cardreader,...
Oh heck, I'm just dreaming out loud, I'll once get to see what DI made of the Neuros 3, and the sooner the better ;) |
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notzippy
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 2:57:05 PM
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Personally I like the two piece design, it seems to allow expandability..
Internally I would like to see a second processor, then you can offload the decoding and FM encoding to the second processor while leaving the primary to handle the GUI - thus getting rid of the slugishness feel while playing... (Although coding this may be an interesting task ;>)
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Chameleon
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 6:17:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by notzippy
Personally I like the two piece design, it seems to allow expandability..
Internally I would like to see a second processor, then you can offload the decoding and FM encoding to the second processor while leaving the primary to handle the GUI - thus getting rid of the slugishness feel while playing... (Although coding this may be an interesting task ;>)
In fact the current Neuros I & II have two processors internally.
One is the main TI DSP and the other is a Xilinx FPGA.
I agree that I like the expandability and I think the size & weight are just fine.
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Zithromax
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 8:55:32 PM
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| Why don't they just make a PDA and then it will be able to do everything? Honestly I don't understand this whole picture viewing thing on an audio player. If you want such frills, there are devices that do that. What I would like to see instead of the hard drive option is cheap, large solid state RAM. I heard that such a thing is being worked on and when that happens, hard drives will be a thing of the past. Then the Neuros could be small and use much less power. I don't know whether or not that is in a time frame of until they come out with the Neuros III, but it's possible. |
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Gauge
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Posted - 12/19/2004 : 1:09:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Zithromax
Why don't they just make a PDA and then it will be able to do everything? Honestly I don't understand this whole picture viewing thing on an audio player. If you want such frills, there are devices that do that. What I would like to see instead of the hard drive option is cheap, large solid state RAM. I heard that such a thing is being worked on and when that happens, hard drives will be a thing of the past. Then the Neuros could be small and use much less power. I don't know whether or not that is in a time frame of until they come out with the Neuros III, but it's possible.
Once this RAM you speak of becomes a reality, then all players will probably switch to it. In the meantime, they have to work with the small HD sizes available to them.
These design pictures are great, k-mouse! However I've heard that the Neuros III will ditch the backpack design and go for a 1-piece unit like the I-pod. I'm wondering if maybe a compromise could be made and they use the detachable HD idea.
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Llama
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Posted - 12/19/2004 : 3:15:16 PM
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i saw an mp3 player like that at stereo advantage when i was searching around for my first one a few years ago (bought an archos jukebox eventually, sucked). you could pop the HD right out and plug it into the pc or something like that. maybe the n3 could have something like that, but with a usb/firewire (male) connector on the hd, to elimate the need to carry wires everywhere.
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Edited by - Llama on 12/19/2004 3:15:39 PM |
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Yono
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Posted - 12/19/2004 : 6:54:55 PM
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K-mouse, would the HD be in some sort of case to keep the pins from easily being bent? How would that work?
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Zithromax
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 09:56:11 AM
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I'll take care of this one. The hard drive would be in a case that would make it very easy to accidentally bend the pins. Also the metal would be very brittle so that they would break off.
In regard to Gauge's comment, the Neuros III will not be out for probably a year or more. There is a possibility that RAM like that would exist by then. I'm thinking forward. I have to disagree that those concept images are "great". They would be great if the Neuros didn't already look almost exactly like that. |
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kbon
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 10:27:17 AM
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Oh come on...
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I have to disagree that those concept images are "great". They would be great if the Neuros didn't already look almost exactly like that.
Take a horse. Add a barcode-like pattern on it's fur. That's no horse anymore, you'd call it a zebra. What I'm trying to say in my awfully bad English is that a Neuros is a Neuros, with some nice features separating it from "the other players"... Change those specific things and you don't have a Neuros anymore.
And what is all the talk about "large RAM"... As far as I'm concerned, RAM's not suitable for players, except for use in buffer applications.
RAM is memory that loses it's contents when power is removed. Now that would be handy! I'm on a long trip, my battery dies, I get a new one, and wow, all my content is gone... What a great storage device :|
You all mean flash. It's able to keep it's contents, even when power goes dead. And wake up people, mp3 players with flash memory _exist already_... OK, perhaps only to 2GB, if you want larger you need a hard disc player. And fact is, there is nothing wrong with that. People who need solid state players get a player with limited memory but large shock-proofness, people seeking large-capacity audio players get a hard-disc player. It's simple as that, and there's really nothing wrong with that (except when you should go on a mountaineering trip for several weeks, then you'd need friends or a radio...)
Honestly, I don't think there's a big market for small music devices with an enormous amount of storage in it.
There, however, is a market for cheap, open source many-in-one devices (music player, audio recorder, storage device and picture bank for example).
At least, that's my opinion, you don't have to agree with me, just giving my point of view, I'm not trying to start a flamebait :)
I'll be anxiously waiting 'till Neuros Inc. comes with the third version of this great device. |
Edited by - kbon on 12/20/2004 10:28:15 AM |
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Yono
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 12:53:08 PM
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kbon, I agree about the horse/zebra thing. However, I think what he was refering to about the large scale ram is removable memory. Like a CF card, but at 20+ GB sizes. I'm guessing it would look somewhat like an old gameboy cartrage except larger.
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raffaele.ragazzon(at)optonet.no
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 1:21:19 PM
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First of all guys, I just want to say thanks for all the replies.
The images I made wasn't meant to be new and revolutionary. I just draw what I was thinking at the moment, didn't really give it too much of a headache into it. And as for the lack of new functions and stuff like that, I didn't really think too much about that either. I didn't mean this design was meant to be "the ultimate" and final Neuros 3. Just some small ideas threw into these images. Why don't you guys give me, (and DI of course) some new ideas and stuff that would make this thing cool(er).
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K-mouse, would the HD be in some sort of case to keep the pins from easily being bent? How would that work?
I guess there should be some kinda HD-case. Not really sure how that would work either, but I do believe DI will come up with something brilliant :P
[Edit:]Sorry guys, posted with my "old" account. Yes it's me, k-mouse :P |
Edited by - raffaele.ragazzon(at)optonet.no on 12/20/2004 1:23:29 PM |
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Zithromax
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 1:32:37 PM
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What I'm talking about is something that doesn't exist yet. Eventually we won't use hard drives as we do today and everything will be stored in solid state memory. Perhaps it's more than a year away, but it was just a thought.
As far as the interface is concerned, why does it have to be exactly the same? I think what makes the Neuros unique is not its interface, but its features. The Neuros 3 could still look similar to the current but have an improved button configuration and it still be called a Neuros. I never said anything about changing features. |
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 3:45:40 PM
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Solid state storage can't compete with hard drives. A few years time won't change that. Perhaps when hard drive manufacturers find a physical limitation that truly cannot be overcome, but it will be a long time before that happens.
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Posted - 12/21/2004 : 4:53:59 PM
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| I've drawn up a 3D image of what I'd like to see the Neuros III look like but I don't have a website to post it to. Is anyone willing to put it up on their's? If so, let me know and I'll email you a PDF of the rendered images. |
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Sottilde
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Posted - 12/21/2004 : 10:19:12 PM
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You can always put it up on www.imageshack.us .
Also, if you email them to me, I would be very happy :).
My email should be in my profile.
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