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bigcods(at)charter.net
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 Posted - 05/22/2005 : 11:57:57 PM
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to say the least.
having nothing but bad mp3 player experiences in the past, i am taking my time this time around looking for a new mp3 player.
at first i got all excitied about the creative labs 40 gb player, but the more and more i read the more i found the the headphone jacks broke, and it was horribly expensive ot get it fixed, so i browsed and browsed, and read and read, and found the neuros.
i was quite excited when i read about all of the features. i had thought that i had finally found the mp3 player for me, but after mre reading, i keep finding more and more posts/reviews talking about things such as:
dead units.
replaced units that were dead.
shoddy playback, skipping and whatnot.
these are pretty big problems for me. what good is high sound quality if it skips ahead? this product boasts the fact that it can play ogg vorbis filles, yet i see numerous posts about there ogg vorb. files skip because they are too high quality.
i also was excited to read that there was a quite active neuros community, and the firmware was updated all the time, but as i come to find out, the forum seems to be pretty dead, and the firmware hasn't been(officially) updated in months, like the product was forgotten by the company. and since there is a neuros the in the works, all of the resources are going towards that, but it could be months before that comes out.
if the neuros worked like it was supposed to, i would love to have one, but from what i have read, very few people who have one have had no problems. i don't want to pay $300 for something that has the (possibly high) possibility of arriving DOA, sending it back, getting another that's DOA, or getting one that works but doesn't play songs right.
neuros is a small company makes very few products, and from what i have seen, their main product doesn't work that well in many cases.
am i wrong in being weary about get one?
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Zithromax
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Posted - 05/23/2005 : 11:38:16 AM
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I think that there are actually many people who have had no problems. The problems started around the time of the Neuros II. I bought one and mine stopped working so I sent it back. About a month later I received a fully working unit and I have had no problems since. Recently I haven't seen as many complaints about broken units. I think they are getting everything worked out now.
I feel that this is not the time to jump into the Neuros market. The units are kinda big and they do have problems with high bitrate (q6+) ogg file playback. In a few months there will be a new player with a better DSP or CPU and it will be smaller. The only problem is there is no definite release date. There's hardly even a tentative one. On the up side, if you buy now, you can do an upgrade/trade in deal or get a discount on the new player. |
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bigcods(at)charter.net
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Posted - 05/23/2005 : 12:41:32 PM
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| what are some specs about the nIII? |
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The J
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Posted - 05/23/2005 : 2:18:04 PM
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You can see a little bit of info for the Neuros III at the following link: http://open.neurosaudio.com/archives/Product%20Roadmap3-15-2005.htm
It seems that the actual hardware for the player hasn't been chosen yet (up in the air among TI DSP, AMD Alchemy, ARM, and a couple of others I think).
As to the community's activeness, there actually aren't a lot of people here as the Neuros is a niche product. If you look at the forum stats, it says that 17 thousand people are members, but you become a member as soon as you register the player. There are much fewer people who actually post here. |
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Zithromax
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Posted - 05/25/2005 : 08:49:22 AM
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Ok, I had no problems until yesterday. Now it's all screwed up again. I still say this is not the time to jump into the Neuros market.
Edit: After formatting the thing every which way I managed to get rid of the errors, but it still isn't playing right. I had a Neuros 1 for a year and I never had problems like these. I didn't at first believe the people who complained of multiple bad units and some of them are probably just doing something wrong; however, many are actually receiving these bad units. You should not have to put up with those problems. I should not have to format this thing 5 times to get it to work right...or half way right.
I guess in conclusion I'd recommend you wait. The Neuros does have nice features, but why buy now when you could wait and get something better? |
Edited by - Zithromax on 05/27/2005 1:09:58 PM |
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Charlie Sweatpants
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Posted - 05/27/2005 : 09:48:28 AM
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Somewhere on here there is a link to NIII specs. I just can't find it right now. The 3 was for sure going to have a 1.8" hard drive, which would make it "iPod" sized, the current N2 has a 2.5" drive. Personally, I've never found the size to be a problem, but that's just me. The sizes would probably range from 20-80GB, obviously larger ones would cost more. I'd assume the FM broadcast, built in mic, and line in recording would still be standard, but that's a guess.
As for a release date, well your guess is as good as mine. I've no idea.
I can't speak directly to problems with the NII, I've still got my good old gray NeurosI, but a friend of mine bought a II, on my recommendation, and he loves it. My NeurosI has worked great for the sixteen or so months I've had it, despite a couple of bad falls.
The ogg skipping problem has got to be the most frequently misunderstood thing on this board. At q6 or higher, when running the "NeuroCast" (FM broadcaster), some people have reported some songs skip occasionally. It does not happen on headphones or if you've got it plugged directly into a stereo, and it does not happen at q5 or below. Personally I've never encountered it, but that doesn't mean much since my oggs are mostly q5. (The majority seems to like q6, but I can't hear a difference.)
As for problems reported on these boards, I wouldn't read too much into that. It's a very narrow slice of users, and they tend to be pissed off, with or without justification. There was a guy a couple of weeks ago who posted on like three different topics that the thing didn't work at all. Someone posted back that he might want to try taking the key-lock off. We never heard from him again. Those kinds of posts can make it seem like nothing works from DI, but most of them are just impatient people with simple problems.
People whose units function great don't post problems because they don't have any. I'm sure there have been people with bad experiences, but I think DI does a spectacular job.
Should you buy something now or wait? Well, that's up to you. It's the classic problem with buying electronics: in six months there will be something cheaper and better than what you have, no matter what you buy now. It's going to happen. You've just got to figure out when the features and convenience justify the price for you.
Speaking from experience, My Neuros, purchased back in January of 2004 is probably the single best and most used thing I have ever bought. I've gotten more bang from the buck from my Neuros than from anything else. The only thing even close is my TiVo, but the Neuros still comes out ahead. I don't get in the car without it, I don't go the gym without it, I don't take a shower without it (not literally in the shower, but I use the NeuroCast on the little boombox I have next to the sink).
I'm not saying that the Neuros is 100 Million time better than everything else out there. It isn't, and there are a lot more options now than there were back when I bought. However, I think it's a high quality piece of electronics at a reasonable price with unequalled customer support. That's just my experience; you'll have to make up your own mind. |
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bigcods(at)charter.net
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Posted - 05/27/2005 : 7:38:37 PM
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i think i'm just going to wait for the NIII. hopefully when they come out i can see what people say about them to see if they have problems or not.
*crosses fingers* |
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bigcods(at)charter.net
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Posted - 05/28/2005 : 12:10:29 AM
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now i know all of you are biased, but...
what are your thoughts on the ipod photo?
i know the neuros has more features, but the ipod works, and they are out now.
the 60gb ipod photo is about $400. huge capacity. the only thing i really want it to do is play music. i hate to be a lam0r, but i'm just being honest. i have an mp3 cd player in my car, i don't need to record anything, and i just want something that can play songs, a lot of them...well.
the ipod and the neuros both have good sound quality. the ipod photo has really good battery life, and the neuros has good life also.
try to be as unbiased as possible.
also, i'm, very impatient. the NIII is not yet released, and i might have to wait six months before it comes out, and even longer to wait until the kinks are worked out. |
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Matthias Halibrand
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Posted - 05/28/2005 : 05:42:40 AM
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Actually all the tests i ever read were saying that the iPod has a quite poor sound quality and I listened to some Jazz on it a few weeks ago at a friends house and didn't like it at all. There seemed just to be much to much heights and the low frequency below approximately 60 Hz seemed to be quite unstable.
So I disagree with the sound-quality.
If you don't mind that, too much, and you don't record at all and just want to get a player which has a big capacity and which plays your mp3's, you still have the option to buy a Neuros II.
That's if you don't care for the size. If you do care, take the iPod or have a look at the iriver h340, it's only 40 GB but it's got a more decent sound quality, is around $350 and it plays vorbis, as well. It can record to mp3 and got a decent line in and out. :)
Hope I could help,
cheers,
Matthias Halibrand
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JonnyBoy
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Posted - 05/28/2005 : 10:26:08 AM
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| I would have to agree. Everybody around where I live owns or would like to own an IPod and after listening to them, the sound quality just doesn't seem as brilliant as my Neuros. |
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Zithromax
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Posted - 05/28/2005 : 11:47:37 AM
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Hmm, no, I have a lot of oggs now in my library of music and the iPod won't play those. If I were to use an mp3 player other than the Neuros, it wouldn't be the iPod. Even if I wanted only mp3 support, I still wouldn't get an iPod.
oh, by the way, skipping does occur at all the quality levels of ogg. It just skips more and more as the quality goes up. I have q4 oggs that skip from time to time. It's not in the track, it just does it...on headphones. I prefer q4 because the sound quality is good and the skipping is infrequent enough to be tolerable. To the people who don't hear skipping at q6, I don't know what they are doing listening to q6 oggs. Their hearing must be terrible. |
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bigcods(at)charter.net
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Posted - 05/28/2005 : 8:59:20 PM
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i have no oggs, which is another feature i don't necessarily need.
don't get me wrong, i wouldn't mind having such features as recording, broadcasting to fm, and whatever else, but they don't weigh in on the features that i care about.
i just want basic mp3 playback, somehing that won't start screwing up 6 months down the road, something that won't screw up when i get it, somethign that won't screw up if i drop it, and good sound quality.
the neuros has great features, but i could easily do without them if i had to.
but i could do without the whole photo part of the ipod photo, and the games, and most everything else. i am just considering the ipod photo ecause it has the biggest hard drive, and they discontinued the 40gb version. |
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bigcods(at)charter.net
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 09:17:34 AM
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bump!
and really...
i just want something tha can play mp3's(at a high quality) into my ears. what is best for me? |
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