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 Posted - 03/20/2006 : 04:40:30 AM
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Hi,
I am planing to use Recorder 1 in OEM quantity for a security system.
I am looking for an instruction set which I cane use with Recorder 1 USB port to remotely activate same functions which are available via IR remote control and more.
Where and how can I get one.
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Derek
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 12:00:29 AM
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there is no USB port on the recorder 1... are you sure that this is what you mean?
When I was a kid my mom used to tell me that curiosity killed the cat...What she forgot to tell me was that it also discovered the cat, invented the lightbulb, and forged the Neuros |
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 06:56:58 AM
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Originally posted by Derek
there is no USB port on the recorder 1... are you sure that this is what you mean?
When I was a kid my mom used to tell me that curiosity killed the cat...What she forgot to tell me was that it also discovered the cat, invented the lightbulb, and forged the Neuros
Well, may be Recorder "1" is incorrect.
My unit simply states "NEUROS MPEG 4 RECORDER"
From left to right, in the back it has: 5V DC, AV Out , AV in, TV/PC switch, and USB 2 connector.
SN: MJB2400E55000641 see http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/recorder_details.asp |
Edited by - sub on 03/21/2006 08:22:25 AM |
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neo979
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 10:46:32 AM
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Hmm... I feel weird about telling mods that they're wrong... again... but the N1 certainly does have a USB port.
However, I presume the N1 is a USB slave device and cannot host any USB peripherals. I have never heard of controlling the N1 over USB, and I seriously doubt it was designed to have this capability. This is why I initially did not reply to this thread. |
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FJ
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 3:04:22 PM
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Neo is correct, therer is a USB port on the Recorder 1 (not on the recoder 2) and it is USB slave, not host.
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 4:35:15 PM
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Originally posted by FJ
Neo is correct, therer is a USB port on the Recorder 1 (not on the recoder 2) and it is USB slave, not host.
FJ
OK, how can I get a list of commands? |
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 4:54:55 PM
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Originally posted by neo979
However, I presume the N1 is a USB slave device and cannot host any USB peripherals. I have never heard of controlling the N1 over USB, and I seriously doubt it was designed to have this capability. This is why I initially did not reply to this thread.
Since the Recorder 1 can be used as Card Reader for the PC it must recognize lot of commands and must support bidirectional communication. It also must support driver for PC Tools-Ulead Video Toolbox2 supplied on CD. See manual page 49-50-54 |
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 5:26:13 PM
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ah, yes, sorry about the confusion, i forgot which recorder i was refering to.... listen to FJ
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 6:05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Derek
ah, yes, sorry about the confusion, i forgot which recorder i was refering to.... listen to FJ
When I was a kid my mom used to tell me that curiosity killed the cat...What she forgot to tell me was that it also discovered the cat, invented the lightbulb, and forged the Neuros
OK, how can I get a list of commands? |
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neo979
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Posted - 03/21/2006 : 8:28:39 PM
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I think what everyone's trying to tell you is that you CAN'T control an N1 from its USB port.
It seems to me that infrared is the only way you can control it, since it doesn't have buttons on the unit itself. So I suppose you will need to find a remote-controlled device that can transmit infrared signals (which would leave the vulnerability of anyone with a Neuros remote operating the unit). |
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 01:31:38 AM
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I think what everyone's trying to tell you is that you CAN'T control an N1 from its USB port.
Well I have the IR remote but I want PIC Microchip to control the Recorder. I even have IR command codes, however, the problem is that the "Pause" is toggle button and if the IR transmission fails for some reason (many time you have to push button twice to activate a command) than you get out of a sync because you cannot monitor if you are in the "Record" or "Pause" mode.
I am sure that people who are using the Recorder 1 for security system would appreciate such IR controller.
I do not know any purpose why Neuros is trying to establish OPEN.NEUROS if one needs can-opener to get in.
Anyway I believe that there maybe some USB commands available but not knowing that Recorder 1 even has the USB port would indicate that there is simply not available knowledge. |
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 07:11:41 AM
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Two ways to accomplish what you want:
Hard wire the output of the remote (IR LED) to the input of the
recorder. Wire a motion sensor across the remote Record button.
Pressing the record button twice is because the carbon pad on the
PCB is not being shorted by the bubble (button). Wiring it, will
be much better. Buy another remote and peel off the button pad of
the remote. Wire the remote and cover with Kapston tape to protect.
or
PIC controller directly after the output of the IR receiver
I think the freq is 38Khz.
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 09:53:13 AM
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Well, there are lots of reasons to make the code open source. The N1 was never marketed as a security device, and I'm not sure why you are buying them for an unintended purpose without "doing your homework."
I really can't think of any more ways to explain this - I mean, do you expect to be able to steer your car by plugging something into its gas tank? Just because the port is there doesn't mean it has access to any of the software control functionality. Yes, it supports bidirectional communications for reading and writing to storage cards. That really doesn't have anything to do with controlling it in recorder mode.
If there is something unclear about what we are saying, please ask a more specific question, and I will be glad to try to explain it better. However, if you are just unwilling to believe us, then unfortunately I don't think there is much more I can do for this thread. This is not meant as an insult or a "flame" - I just don't really follow your reasoning. |
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 11:32:12 AM
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However, if you are just unwilling to believe us, then unfortunately I don't think there is much more I can do for this thread.
I do not say that I do not believe you. However, if I am inquiring about the USB port and I am told that the device does not have one, than it is hard to accept the rest of the story.
Many times there are hidden back door commands... etc. There is also difference between an Opinion and Fact, so I always double check.
Originally, I have asked if there is a list of the commands used with USB port.
Do you know if there is one or not?
If YES where can I download one.
As to trying to use N1 for OEM security purpose has noting to do with anything. It does not matter from which source the video comes.
Even if I would find security oriented recorder it would probably not have video four channel multiplexer and it would not have motion detect feature, and would probably cost arm and leg... etc. So I would have to modify one any way.
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 11:47:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ex-Navy
PIC controller directly after the output of the IR receiver
I think the freq is 38Khz.
Ex-Navy
Using PIC controller is the only way to go.
However, neither solution described above will resolve the problem of monitoring whether the N1 is in the "RECORD" or "PAUSE" mode while you toggling the "PAUSE" button, unless you are looking at some monitor for red sign "RECORD" or white "PAUSE".
Unfortunately the PIC without sophisticated video decoding cannot do that.
It would be nice if i could exit from the "PAUSE" mode by pressing "RECORD" or any other button instead of pressing the "PAUSE" button again.
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Posted - 03/22/2006 : 3:02:35 PM
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If you want the key codes for the Recorder 1, email me. The Key code for the Recorder 2 are on the wiki.
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