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JoeBorn
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 Posted - 05/31/2006 : 9:55:52 PM
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I appoligize for being out of touch on this. I don't mean to blow you guys off (although I realize that's inadvertantly what I've been doing). Internally we are trying to decide this very issue. We are growing our team, both in the US and China to be able to do more products, but at this point, we're still stretched pretty thin. We keep pushing off the N3 project and even the 442v2 to focus on the R3. I realize that's not much consolation to the folks on this thread, but it's only fair to give you an honest assesment of the situation.
Like all of you, as a user, I long for an N3 myself, and I wish I had a better assesment of the schedule at this point, my best guess is that we're looking at mid '07 now. In the meantime, I will get more information to you regarding the 442v2, which except for the size, could be an excellent solution for most of you (which BTW, will have .wav recording)
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chad(at)gambit.net
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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 11:41:53 AM
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My ONLY issue with getting a 442v2 is the lack of NeuroCast. I use it far too often to be without it.
(Money is a bit of a concern now, too, now that I have a shiny new MacBook Pro, but such is life.) |
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RevRon
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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 10:46:22 PM
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I don't want a 442V2 because I don't want something that big, my N2 is big enough. I'm interested in the Audio not the Video, so the 442 doesn't hold any spark for me.
I'm bummed that we aren't going to see anything significant until mid-2007, but as they say, "Better late than never!"
Thank you Joe, I wish we could make it get created sooner, but that's not the reality (yet).
Rev. Ronald G. |
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carl
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 12:12:15 AM
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I agree with the good reverend. Like I said before, all I want is a good, SMALL, audio player - and I LOVE the neurocast. I have no interest in buying a pmp, so the 442 holds no value to me.
Thanks for responding Joe, but I'm still disappointed it's going to take that long for a new player.
Carl. |
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mrchyles
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 04:40:30 AM
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Anyone else feel, sort of, betrayed... Let down.
They hyped up the Neuros 3 in fall of 2005, with all of the head-fi forums and what not, made it seem like it was so close to being developed and then... PUT ON THE BACK BURNER!
Lets think... They have released (correct me if I am wrong) the recorder 1 and 2, the 442 and will release the 442v2, the R3, and maybe even the Vdrive all between the time they released the N2 and released the N3? That is pretty ridculous. I believe the audio player was the product that started it all, right?
It seems they have delayed the vitally necessary N3, to release the not even remotely as necessary 442v2 and the R3. Think about it: The 442 is fine as a media player for now, and the R2 is fine also. The N2 is leaps and bounds behind recent developments. I am getting sick and tired for getting ridiculed for carting a brick everywhere I go. And when a ray of light was shinning from the N3 they snuffed it! It seems a lot of people are talking about potentially letting go and puting their money in another companies player because they simply cannot wait any longer...
Has the N3 missed its biggest window?
(I know... I am pretty cynical and upset. I have put a lot faith in this company for a while, but it seems they set the wrong priorities)
I just hope I can control myself long enough to wait for the N3 because it SOUNDS simply amazing...
hmm...glad that is off my chest. it is time to cool down... |
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brewer13210
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 05:44:19 AM
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Delaying the N3 until 2007 essentially takes DI out of the portable audio player market. Due to the projected release date, the N3 will have to be completely re-designed anyways, dut to changes in available technology.
I'm happy with my N2 for now, and honestly don't care what anyone else thinks about the size of my player. The problem for DI is that when it comes time to buy a replacement, with a release date for the N3 so far away, there is little chance that I'll wait for the N3, I'll just buy something that's available NOW.
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RevRon
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 06:38:47 AM
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Sorry to be "dense" Todd, but what is DI?
Rev. Ronald G. |
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brewer13210
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rlovvo
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 09:57:58 AM
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I think there was a great advantage being an early innovator, and I love the neurocast feature, but there's no perceived advantage to entering the market last. NeurosAudio must believe the R3 will have a better profit margin if they can get it finished.
At least we know, and now we can make better consumer decisions. Like Todd and mrchyles, I'll just have to wait and see if the N3 is better than the other players I have at the time (so far, an N1, N2, and two creative zens, and will begin looking for a slimmer 40G player). We'll still use the N1 and N2, but may not need anything the N3 has to offer a year from now.
Who knows? Maybe the timeline will improve over the next few months ...
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carl
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 4:19:25 PM
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mrchyles said it perfectly and I totally agree with him. I feel 'betrayed'. I've been checking these forums almost daily for news about the N3 for the past year and now we find out it's going to be 'at least' another year. In my experience this means at least another 6 months after that.
So, mrchyles, I think you're right: neuros is missing a great opportunity right now and the technology will have changed so much in a year+ that it will have to be totally re-designed (e.g. the way things are going, 10-20GB flash players are going to be the norm by that time).
I think I'm going to have to do the unthinkable and get a ipod. Ah well, I think waiting a year for vapor-ware is long enough.
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RevRon
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 8:25:09 PM
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Being one of the "long time" advocates and supports of Neuros regarding the N3, sadly I have to agree with you Carl. 
It appears that the N3 is dead and will not be a viable instrument in our possession any time soon, if ever. With all the delays and the focus being on equipment that doesn't truly fit the Audiophiles need or desire, I'm sorry to add my energy to the switching from the N3 to other available players.
I will keep watching and be interested in seeing how Neuros addresses this "opportunity" for development; however, since there is no meaningful growth in the direction of developing the N3, I am going to start researching other viable options. 
Do you really think that a 10 or 20 GB flash player will be available and reasonable soon? That would be a very interesting development! Imagine the size and the design you could have. I know there are players that are using SD chips and I know some of those are fairly large in capacity. I think that would be a nice option to the "Backpack HD".
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Zithromax
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 9:56:21 PM
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| If NA really did care to release the N3, it would have been done by now. I doubt it's a personal attack on former Neuros owners or for just not caring. They probably think that there is greater interest in the general market for the Recorder or the 442 than the Neuros and therefore, they can make more money. I personally couldn't care less about the 442 or the recorder and I too noticed how many other things they have made since the last Neuros. At this rate I doubt the N3 will ever exist. I recommend everyone just buy something else. There's a lot of options out there and there's probably something that will work for you. |
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carl
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 10:55:13 PM
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Reverend,
In a year -> year and a half, there will be even more options than there are now. Here's an example:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6535687.html
And we should also have bluetooth built in (imagine bluetooth headphones ... no wires ... mmmmmm).
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mdt123
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 11:46:14 AM
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As bummed as I was to hear JB say the N3 is at least another year away, I do appreciate that he was honest about it. I think it's got to be so hard for any company to compete with the iPod. Most folks have no idea what an "MP3 player" is, but at the same time, they all know about the iPod. And that's what they buy and that's what they buy their kids, etc, etc. Heck, people ask if my NII is an iPod all the time! I also think most of those people say the sound from theirs is great. Whatever; some of us do know the difference. I love my NII, but I want to get my hands on the N3 as much as everyone else here. I'm pretty sure I am going to wait for it too. I'm not happy about this news, but what are we going to do? I guess buy a different player, complain a little more or wait it out. DI knows there are a bunch of us waiting, but they have to run a business. I just hope they decide to offer that trade-in deal for those of us who have been waiting for so long.
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Edited by - mdt123 on 06/13/2006 3:04:45 PM |
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RevRon
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 7:49:55 PM
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After the initial shock of the time delay and the lack of information about the status, I too was pleased that Joe was honest and coming out with a timeframe. I also know that the timeframe can shift; maybe longer and maybe shorter (I pray that it will be shorter.) After all, who knows what the future holds and with all the work being accomplished on the 442 and the R3, the N3 could be right around the corner!
I too will wait for the N3. I will appreciate it much, MUCH more when I get it because the potential of it will be greater the longer we wait for it. Look at how fast the computer industry is growing and developing; the N3’s technology will advance just as rapidly. I know the market share might not be as great, but then again, word-of-mouth can do a lot for a product, and loyal "fans" of Neuros can really generate a lot of positive energy! Let's all start focusing on the "best" N3 that the Neuros Team can, and will, create. By holding that vision in our "collective consciousness" we'll create the environment for a perfect mp3 player to come out soon. Also, by keeping up beat and positive, we can generate "good vibes" that will go out into the Universe and create that perfect N3 sooner rather than later. (Yes, I'm a New Thought minister and we look for the good in everything!  )
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mdt123
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 3:29:02 PM
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| Ahh, the religion of "healthy-mindedness". Let's change our experience by changing our thinking. Good vibes never hurt anyone. So maximize your potential and vibe away Rev! I'll do the same. |
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JoeBorn
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Posted - 06/20/2006 : 6:50:01 PM
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It really does pain me to dissapoint you guys. As you know, I take this stuff very personally. I also recognize that many of you would feel "abandon," and believe me, that factored very heavily into our thinking. There was an enormous amount of thought and discussion (more of which should have been online but it just happened to be in-person meetings, etc).
In a nutshell, all of us agree that there continues to be a great unserved area of the market for the N3. And the MP3 market is absolutely massive. The real trouble is that the standard for success is really "masterpiece." The iPod is on Gen 5 now and they've squeezed every cubic millimeter out of the thing, not to mention the effort that's gone into the firmware and software (and iTMS).
None of that is said to mean that we can't compete. We're all firm beilevers that we can. There's a good chunk of users that just want drag and drop and to eliminate iTunes altogether, a good chunk don't want to iTMS either, etc. etc. There's no question that we don't need (or want) to duplicate what Apple (or the rest of the market) is doing. At the same time, we do need to have parity with them on a lot of areas and that's simply not something we currently have the resources to do. The Recorder and 442 are growing our business and allowing us to add those resources. The 442 was just a lot easier to develop because we're using the housing and mechanical that the factory had already built. Again, that housing is solid and high quality and adequate, but hardly the masterpiece level required for the N3.
It's painful, and more painful for me than anyone, I can promise that, but I do believe it's the right thing to do. I won't say there aren't other alternatives, there are, but overall I believe this is the right choice.
jborn (at) neurosaudio.com |
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carl
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Posted - 06/24/2006 : 04:42:34 AM
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Wow. Thanks for the heartfelt update Joe. I believe that's all we were asking for was just some sort of understanding behind the slow development of the N3. After reading that comment, I'm going to hold off purchasing another mp3 player for a while (heck I've waited this long =) and will keep monitoring the forums because I really do want to buy a Neuros masterpiece.
Carl. |
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RevRon
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Posted - 06/24/2006 : 05:03:22 AM
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I agree with Carl, Joe!
Thank you for your input and unwavering support in the quest for a perfect MP3 player. Neuros truly is a "Masterpiece" on all levels, and just like the masterpieces of old which took time to create, the N3 will be a classic as well!
Rev. Ronald G. |
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degauss
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 12:28:44 AM
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Ya know, I still have and love my N1. Battery still chugging away and sounds as good as ever. As I'm a roadwarrior and travel weekly I get sniggers from the iPOD guys all the time...unil they hear my ogg vorbis playback through the Bose NC headphones. I'm kinda unique in my electronics buying. I tend to use stuff until it's broken. Then I buy something new. Waiting for N3 seems like a good way to go for me too.
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