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jeffr_townsend(at)hotmail.com
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 Posted - 05/04/2006 : 09:40:44 AM
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We are actually testing a few conversion tools. Your suggestions are more than welcome. Our goal is to find a simple and efficient way to get it done. Based on our tests so far, quite a few free softwares are as good (if not better at times) as their commercial counterparts. I am testing the Core Codec (the makers of TCPMP aka Betaplayer) open source VEMoDe tool and it is very nice. Fast, it offers many different conversion formats (including one for the PSP of course) and is very easy to use. If you want to test it go to http://corecodec.org/projects/vemode/
Let us know what you think. Again, other suggestions are welcome.
FJ
Wait so now I am confused. Is neuros going to come up with a firmware update for the PSP problem or are we going to have to use conversion software in order to play our files on the PSP. I am not a computer expert, I only bought this device to record my Cubs games and I am wondering if I will be able to use the Recorder II as I did before or am I now going to have to do something different with conversion software.
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Posted - 05/04/2006 : 09:54:00 AM
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Yes. We are testing a firmware upgrade for the Recorder as we speak. With this new firmware files created by the Recorder 2 will play directly on the PSP without any conversion step: Record, put the memory stick in your PSP and enjoy the show. But we also want to come up with a solution for users who have or will update their PSP to v2.7 and still want to watch videos recorded until now. These files will most likely have to be converted.
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jeffr_townsend(at)hotmail.com
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Posted - 05/04/2006 : 10:02:29 AM
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Yes. We are testing a firmware upgrade for the Recorder as we speak. With this new firmware files created by the Recorder 2 will play directly on the PSP without any conversion step: Record, put the memory stick in your PSP and enjoy the show. But we also want to come up with a solution for users who have or will update their PSP to v2.7 and still want to watch videos recorded until now. These files will most likely have to be converted.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I am sorry that I ask a stupid question but some of the other users are asking questions that are way over my head and I was just looking for some clarification. Any word when we might have that firmware upgrade?
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voteforpedro
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Posted - 05/04/2006 : 10:14:03 AM
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I also use an EPSON P2000 to view the recorded content and was wondering if the upgraded firmware might affect that? With the current recorder firmware I was able to watch video on both my PSP (with 2.6) and on the EPSON. I am anticipating that it should not but I thought I would ask.
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Jeff123
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Posted - 05/04/2006 : 7:14:46 PM
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geWAPpnet
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 3:59:45 PM
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What is h.264 encoding? Just wondering.
Don't you use your PSP for videos (besides R2)? Every MP4 for PSP available on the web is encoded in AVC (aka H.264). If you buy a Video-UMD, it's AVC. If you download free videos at yourpsp.com, they are encoded in AVC. If you buy videos for an iPod at iTunes, they are encoded in AVC. For more, read this:
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 6:43:53 PM
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| I didn't realize that h.264 was AVC. Thanks. It would be nice if we could record using this format. |
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FJ
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 10:18:33 PM
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AVC (or h.264) is becoming more popular because of the file size, they are on average 30% smaller than straight MPEG4 files. Realtime encoding to h.264 on a unit that is not a PC is quite a challenge (a PC has a lot of more power than a Recorder 2). The other reason to stick to the current MPEG4 format, is that most portable video players (aside from the PSP and iPod) can not play back h.264. In short, realtime h.264 encoding on a unit as small as Neuros Recorder, is a little further away(the next generation of chips will be able to do it).
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Ex-Navy
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 06:57:07 AM
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FJ is quite right.
The Radeon X1800 XT graphic chipset for PC's,the CPU is being used at 80 percent just playing H.264. NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX playing H.264 peaks at 100 percent CPU usage.
H.264 is more complex compared to former compression methods, and is known for requiring processing power that is approximately 10 times that which is required for MPEG-2
More power=less battery time
Toshiba's newest H.264/Mpeg4 chipset developed for portable devices has just hit the streets:
http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/tos/tos256.html
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 1:00:07 PM
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In regards to the wish that h.264 should have been incorporated into this.. does this unit even have the capability to encode to that format with just a firmware upgrade? this is a question theat I think the Neuros team would need to answer.
Any answer guys?
My sony 2gb high-spped card occasionally wont be recognized by the recorder II, but if I exchange it with another, or even remove and re-insert a couple of times, it will see it.
no big deal.
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geWAPpnet
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 2:41:57 PM
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More power=less battery time
Not true for the PSP and the iPod and we are talking about a product sold as "A VCR for the Sony PSP™ and iPod™ Video!". So other less powerful devices are out of scope.
But I understand the Recorder 2 is not able to encode AVC/H.264 due to its weak power. Maybe this should be stated in big letters in ads to avoid wrong expectations. In these days MP4 is used as synonym for AVC/H.264 (especially in the communities of PSP and iPod users).
Back to topic: Hopefully we will see this urgent update soon, so this product would be usable again. |
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jeffr_townsend(at)hotmail.com
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Posted - 05/09/2006 : 08:03:19 AM
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Neuros Support Team,
It has now been 2 weeks since Sony updated their firmware to version 2.7 and it has been now 2 weeks since your recorder II has no longer worked with the PSP. Do you have any idea when a fix for this issue will be available? I understand that this problem just "popped up" on you guys and that you have the "entire company" working on this issue, but we still have been given no time table as to when we can expect this issue to be resolved. I think I speak for all of your loyal customers that we deserve to be a little more in the loop as to when your device will be able to do what it was built to do.
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ricosuave8080(at)hotmail.com
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Posted - 05/09/2006 : 2:54:49 PM
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I bought two of the Neuros MPEG-4 Recorder 2 units--fortunately I have two PSPs, as well, and one of them is still at v2.0 firmware. However, with the new PSP games being announced at E3 this week, it looks like I'll have to decide whether to keep that PSP as a gaming unit or video playback for my Neuros captured flix. The new games will most certainly REQUIRE a firmware update to the PSP. It really shouldn't come down to that. I don't know who to be upset with-Sony or Neuros.
I'm not holding my breath for a new Neuros firmware to resolve the Sony 2.7 Playback issue. Why?
My first concern with the Neuros Recorder 2 was the 2-hour time limit. The recorder splits the captureed video after 2 hours of recording. Reported on 2/6/2006 by duke Neuros (Neuros Team Moderator): 'The 2-hour limit is not due to your PSP having a certain type of firmware. We are working non-stop around the clock to resolve this issue ASAP. We will post the new firmware update when it is available. We apologize for the inconvenience.'
Yep--still waiting on that firmware update, guys... And that one reportedly had nothing to do with Sony.
The Sony V2.7/Neuros incompatibiltiy issue is a huge issue. I spent my money on the Neuros units because of the way it's advertised...Right off the Neuros homepage: 'A mini digital VCR for the PSP™ and iPod™ Video. At last, video content made easy!' I'm embarassed now that I recommended this unit to several colleagues and friends!
I hope that Neuros is seriously discussing this issue with Sony Engineers, but more urgently that it offers (1) a firmware update to resolve the problem for new recordings, (2) documented instructions on how to convert files previously captured with the Neuros Recorder to a compatible format, rather than links to freeware conversion apps.
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akts(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted - 05/09/2006 : 4:57:36 PM
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Well I read this from pspvault as it wa slinked to maxconsole.. I just wish Neuros would tell us these things if it is indeed true. Her eis the link.
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid;=7027
I hope that it is true and will be forthcoming in days to come.
As for blame, I KNOW $ony did this just for this recorder. You dont see apple having any problems yet? But $ony plans to release it's recorder by november. It will record in h.264 (AVC) but will not record from dvd/broadcast flagged shows.. in other words Tv DRM. They can kiss my butt with that I am not paying 54 bucks for 180 channels to not watch what I want when. Congress can kiss my butt as well for backing them. As for the 2 hour limit? Oh well.. at least the file plays back in sync.. which is a major issue to me. I just use it for television shows and sports.. on the go.. which the unit does perfectly. The new superfine recording option for my ipod should be cool as anything.. If it is indeed real.
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 02:22:35 AM
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Yes, as I said in my last post, we have a firmware update that will create files compatible with Sony's new firware v2.7. We have been testing it for a few days. We are doing our best to release the firmware ASAP, but we have to thoroughly test its stability. We are using the beta version of the new firmware to demo video playback of files created with the recorder on the PSP with FW 2.7 at E3.
We added new features (QCIF recording resolution) and a higher encoding bit rate option for the iPod. Because of the higher number of options, we are working on the user interface to help users choose the right setting based on the handheld they will playback the video on.
As for conversion software, we are looking at different tools. We are comparing a few to the open source conversion tool offered by core codec. Based on our tests, Core Codec's tool (http://corecodec.org/projects/vemode/) is as easy to use as they come (it has a preset conversion for the PSP) and as fast as most fee-based conversion tools.
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akts(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 02:52:47 AM
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Thanks Fj,
I knew about the testing, I just mean the new features. telling some owners of them might make them relax and wait a little more. Instead of grinding the axe and just thinking that you are only working on getting it to play again on the psp. Thanks again.
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 06:32:15 AM
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wait u cant record from a dvd? ...if not im definately not gettin this
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geWAPpnet
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 07:18:29 AM
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wait u cant record from a dvd? ...if not im definately not gettin this
Do you talk about this not yet existing Sony recorder mentioned by akts(at)sbcglobal.net? Well, I think this is about digital high quality recording, not about analogue low quality (lousy composite!) recording like it's done by neuros Recorder 2. Of course you can't do digital copies of DVD's, because therefore you need to break the copy protection and this is illegal in most countries. |
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akts(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 11:12:09 AM
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YOU CAN record from any source.. as long as it has the A/v outputs that the neuros uses.. and you can adapt just about everything to it ... so YES you can record from dvd if you wanted. That is up to the user.
As for crappy aalogue recording.. good luck with the Sony recorder that will record just what THEY want you to watch. Ever use their minidisc? DRM protected to death. Or their vcr/dvd recorder.. so many restrictions on what the burner will tae it is not funny. I would love to have a h.264 recorder, but I will wait for an aftermarket company.. or Neuros to make one.. This unit is designed for quick record and go.. not perfect like without commercials liek you would buy from itunes. But you can see what you are watching in decent to very good quality. The source HAS ALOT to do with it. My sat tv has alot of artifacting.. it shows on the recording.. and cable tv.. heck worse.. But dvd.. looks VERY VERY good.
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Posted - 05/10/2006 : 1:07:12 PM
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As for crappy aalogue recording.. good luck with the Sony recorder that will record just what THEY want you to watch.
Okay, but Neuros could at least support a native connection via S-Video or better RGB-Scart (I know, this European standard is unknown in the USA). A connection via Composite delivers the worst quality possible. |
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