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« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2005, 06:19:07 PM »

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Once you feel like you have played with the 442 for long enough (In a week or two), feel free to post a review on our Wiki. You can always edit your comments (we won't). We created a section for quotes and reviews from our gamma testers. (once you full name whenever you can, if you prefer not to, firstname and first initial of your lastname will do).

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The link would help http://www.theneuros.com/index.php/Reviews_and_Quotes:442

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2005, 12:57:33 AM »

Got my 442 last week, but spent all of my time re-encoding my XVid files to Divx before attending a tech conference this week. The upside, now I have more experience with the 442 before posting my opinions.

Here are my observations:
-Following the original Wiki encoding How-To didn't work, but simply substituting Divx for Xvid solved my problems.

-The bar on the input screen keeps me from using this as a display for my XBox or even those retro games built into the joysticks (old atari and arcade game remakes). I don't want to record my game just to be able to play on the road.

-The Ulead software is nice, but all files in a batch upgrade have to use the same settings. AutoGK was a little slower, but allowed for more variety in the files being queued up. I will likely use Ulead for individual encoding and AutoGK for batches.

-The nav buttons are hard to use, I would prefer one more like the nav-button on the XBox controller. A concave would be very helpful.

-More Cowbell, or at least more volume. In a crowded airport or conference center, I had a very hard time getting the volume loud enough in my headphones. Unlike some other, I actually do like the headphones included.

-Cover from the top broke on the second day, but I found that making that removing the "stopper" meant to hold it in place fixed everything. The tension of placing all of the posts in the respective holes holds it in place very well.

-Case is alright for transport and acceptable for viewing, but not great for either.

-Picture quality is great, and the screen is amazing. I bought a splitter for the headphones jack and shared with a colleague on a flight from Dallas to San Jose. We watched Blue Collar Comedy Tour (Ron Whites flying routine is a must for any in-flight entertainment) and Rat Race. We never had to worry about fighting with the angle for us both to have a good view.

-Up to 4 hours of video play and barely at half of battery life. This may go over 5 hours playback on a charge...GREAT!

-Better MP3 UI is a must. I need playlists!

-Had to stop movies several times, and always had to search to find where I left off. You really need to be able to turn the unit off while playing a movie, and have it remember where you left off.

-Could use a very simply editing platform for AV files. I have seen PVR's with simple "delete before this point", "delete after this point", "split file", "join file" options that would be great here. When setting a record timer, I always start early and end late to make sure I don't miss anything, would be nice to be able to trim the extras out, and maybe even split and rejoin to eliminate commercials.

-Like on a Tivo, when you fastforward a video, you should actually jump back a few seconds to accomodate reaction time. By the time you see a program start after forwarding past commercials, you need to accomodate for the fact that you are 5-10 seconds into the show before you can react and hit play.

-When fast-forwarding at +8, if you hit the reverse button you should slow the progress to FF at +4, not jump directly into reverse at -2. You should be able to increment the speed forwards and backwards.

I am sure I will update this in the coming days,
-Mark

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« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2005, 10:20:39 AM »

Here is everything that I've noted so far(rather large)... most comments are from about a week ago, i've edited where applicable.

(my personal scale from 1 - 10, 1=not important & 10= the utmost importance)
1.  No timed recording : 10
   The inability to make a timed recording means that I have to be awake and aware to record something.  It's better if you can time this.

2.  Reliance on an external TV tuner : 8
   Simplicity : yes.  But no way to change channels or record more than one channel makes this somewhat less useful.

3.  flimsy rubber cover at the top of the unit : 5
      Mine is now off the unit Sad.. this is way too flimsy.

4.  White line at the top of the screen : 3
   This doesn't bother me, as this appears to be the one line of pixels that just so happens to be covered by the case.  This seems to only happen when I'm using the tv tuner (pre-divxd movies and tuning other things seem to be OK)

5.  Windows xp explorer hangs on my computer and on others after transfers : 5
   I can transfer files, and then have to kill explorer.exe and restart it afterwards.  I do not use a USB hub (I use this directly from the motherboard port)  in my eyes, this is not a big problem, but I've seen this on a couple of computers (win xp pro) so I wonder if others are having this problem.  Note : tried this on windows 2000 and I did not have the same problem.

6.  Washed out color : 1
   I'm not sure if this is my signal, or something related to my AV setup, but the picture almost seems a little too bright -- I have the brightness turned down all the way, and whereas files recorded from the unit are a little bright, the other movies I moved onto the device (divx) are just right.  Not a major issue at all.

7.  directional "pad"(?) : 3
   This thing is kind of clumsy to use.

8.  Audio output : 2
   On other files, the audio seems a little low.  On files recorded by the device itself, the sound is fine.
9.  File Format : 5
   .asf file format, although it may work fine, seems limiting.
10. MMC / SD card reader : 5
 -- doesn't work.  I put a MMC card in and it goes right in, i have to pull it out before it is 'eaten up' completely by the unit.
11.  Turns off by itself? : 4
   Sometimes I'm not sure why the unit turns off.  I think I may be running low on disk space, but once in awhile I see the power light flashing, and sometimes have to reboot the unit to get it back.. [[I think now that this could have been usage issues related to trying to capture more video when the hard drive is full.]]
12.  Lockups : 7
   Sometimes the unit just locks up, and I don't know why.  I have to keep a paperclip handy.  I have two public domain mp4 files that I have seen lock up : one example is bob hope's "my favorite brunette", 256kbps version from http://archive.org -- I tried to watch this and it locked up within the first ten minutes. I do not know if it's repeatable.  [[update: this hasn't happened that frequently the last week or so, but i have only been watching videos that were captured by the unit ]]
13.  Does not save current "watch point" : 4
   You have to remember where you were, and fast forward to the location.  I would expect that a video player would remember (at least) the last video file's last viewed location.
14.  Does not know where you were when moving around directions : 1
   When you traverse back up the directory structure (closer to the "root" directory, if you will), often I'm not sure where I came from.  very minor issue of course, but sometimes I don't remember where I came from.
15.  Cannot watch TV without viewing "PVR" screen without recording : 5
   The big black bar stops you from using the screen as a monitor without recording.  this seems unnecessary, although I haven't really needed to use it this way (it would come in handy)
16.  While fast forwarding / rewinding video - I have no idea where I am at in the movie : 2
   It would be helpful to know (by a location : end display or bar) where I am, sometimes I'm not sure where I am in watching the video and although not a necessity, I see this functionality elsewhere and am used to it.

Positive notes (These are just highlights, related to this unit in particular, not necessary all of the obvious good points about having a portable video recorder / player)  :
I like the "tv/lock button" being where it is -- because I like to have a quick way to turn the video off when I just want to listen.
I like the placement of the inputs.
I like the quality and sound of the video.  This looks much better than what I saw when I attempted to record via my computer and tv tuner.  And it takes up MUCH less space.
I like the screen.  Nice size.  
I like the speed, except when you are watching videos of higher quality.  It seems a bit jittery then.  In QVGA low quality this seems perfectly fine.  
Nice case.  Very good-looking unit.

Other ideas:
One thing that may be possible to implement and awesome for nerds like me would be to allow someone to drop a file through the usb interface on the hard drive (e.g. a file named recordings.txt) with a standard format, then the device can pick it up (hopefully automatic, but possibly by a ui selection) and read in the listings so that you have an easier method of programming the timed recordings.  that way you can just plug in something like
10/04/05 03:00 04:00 histories_mysteries.asf

and you could have the tuner 'semi-matically' record the show, picking a real name for the recording.  this would also let someone programmatically pick up shows and notify the device every couple of days of new tasks to record.

There is everything I have so far, this information was recorded a couple of days after I got the unit, but I've kept it because I wanted to give better information, so I've recently edited it and added or subtracted things as necessary.

I like the device, but I'm struggling with trying to get this to record what I want.  This is great for recording things that you see but don't have time to watch (ie you're watching 'dirty dozen' and company comes over) but the lack of a timed recording makes it tough to do what I want it to.
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« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2005, 12:16:05 PM »

rastyk brought up a lot of points I've seen posted elsewhere that I'd like to comment on.

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3.  flimsy rubber cover at the top of the unit : 5
      Mine is now off the unit Sad.. this is way too flimsy.

I'm amazed by how many negative comments there are about this.  Mine is perfectly fine, in no danger of breaking off, and easy to remove/replace.
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5.  Windows xp explorer hangs on my computer and on others after transfers : 5
   I can transfer files, and then have to kill explorer.exe and restart it afterwards.  I do not use a USB hub (I use this directly from the motherboard port)  in my eyes, this is not a big problem, but I've seen this on a couple of computers (win xp pro) so I wonder if others are having this problem.  Note : tried this on windows 2000 and I did not have the same problem.

This has NEVER happened to me (using both XP Pro and Home).
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7.  directional "pad"(?) : 3
   This thing is kind of clumsy to use.

A lot of complaints about this issue.  Perhaps I have dainty fingers, but this is a total non-issue for me.  Yes, it WOULD be if I were doing something more navigation-intensive (like playing games) as others have suggested.  But that isn't what I bought it for.
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8.  Audio output : 2
   On other files, the audio seems a little low.  On files recorded by the device itself, the sound is fine.

I've seen this one quite a bit.  It seems to me that some are blaming the device for the quality of the video file.  Doesn't seem fair to me.  Sure, I've had a couple of vids that were on the quiet side, but most of what I've gotten as bitorrents play fine and within acceptable audio levels.
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12.  Lockups : 7
   Sometimes the unit just locks up, and I don't know why.  I have to keep a paperclip handy...  [[update: this hasn't happened that frequently the last week or so, but i have only been watching videos that were captured by the unit ]]

This happens to me a lot too.  I've had days where I've had to use a paperclip to reset the device MULTIPLE times.  And thank the Maker I had one handy, cuz I'd have been pretty mad if I couldn't watch my Arrested Development on the train.

What's the cause of these lockups?  Sometimes it's from coming right off the charger.  Sometimes it's from tranferring files.  Sometimes a bad video will make the screen go green and display a grid of tiny little thumbnail images.  Either way, I shouldn't have to reset as much as I do.

quote:
Other ideas:
One thing that may be possible to implement and awesome for nerds like me would be to allow someone to drop a file through the usb interface on the hard drive (e.g. a file named recordings.txt) with a standard format, then the device can pick it up (hopefully automatic, but possibly by a ui selection) and read in the listings so that you have an easier method of programming the timed recordings.  that way you can just plug in something like
10/04/05 03:00 04:00 histories_mysteries.asf

and you could have the tuner 'semi-matically' record the show, picking a real name for the recording.  this would also let someone programmatically pick up shows and notify the device every couple of days of new tasks to record.

This is a GREAT idea.
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« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2005, 03:58:22 PM »

Just to add another note related to the kind of things I'm posting, related to the note above, and my posts on the other 442 forums.

Because of the gamma program, I'm trying to give all kinds of ideas and suggestion back, because I'd like to have Neuros see what our thoughts and suggestions are.  I think the unit is a cool device, and I show it off to all my friends.   However, there are some issues with the device, and rather than make excuses for them I want to report them so that Neuros can change or fix them, or at least be aware of them in future updates or changes they can make.

That's why in my list I ranked them.  Note the numbering system I used.  There are things I am totally not concerned about, but something like timed recording is absolutely critical.

actually, I'll admit the flimsy rubber cover I rated too high -- i don't care about the cover, only that it came off on my unit Sad.  

In any case.  Please no one mistake information I'm giving as bashing the unit.  This is better than a lot out there.  I'm pushing for it to be one of the best.
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« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2005, 06:32:38 AM »

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 Please no one mistake information I'm giving as bashing the unit.  This is better than a lot out there.  I'm pushing for it to be one of the best.



I don't think your posts are seen as bashing the 442.
Critical feedback of the unit is needed for future 442 improvements and Im pretty sure thats what Neuros is looking for from the Gamma Program.

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« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2005, 10:00:55 AM »

I thought I'd share my thoughts, now that I've had a chance to play for a week (Thanks, Johan, for the support!).

There is one advantage to reading all of the forums before getting the unit.  I may be one of the few who have had no issues with any of the recording I did pre-delivery.  Thanks to all who posted the issues and tutorials.

The shipping box slippage did not happen.  With the way the cardboard was box was built, I do not believe slippage would have been possible (maybe the box design was changed?).  I am one who actually reads all of the documentation before playing with something, so there wasn't any surprises on the way to use it.

The cover hasn't broken off, and seems like a good fit.  The line-in is trouble-free, and no cables had to be played with.  The SD card (1 gig) works fine.  I have no problems with the scroll buttons (not hard to press, and very responsive).  All in all, a great product.

Now for the wishes.  
1. I do wish it had an external speaker that could be turned on/off.  I would use it more often without headphones if I could.

2. Timed recording would be great.  I also would like to see more options for the length of automatic recording (maybe 5 min increments?).

3.  Maybe I am doing something wrong, but the Ulead software PVR editing tool edits fine, but the saved quality is not what I would have expected.  I didn't see an option for high or low quality.

4.  A rename function would be helpful.  This comes in handy when recording voice while away from a computer.  Those files can add up pretty quickly in college classes.

5.  A built-in microphone for voice recording.  That feature is really handy on the Neuros MP3 player, and since the 442 is a voice recorder ...

6.  Playlist functionality like the Neuros, even if they should be built on the computer first, would be good.

7.  I would have traded the case for a stand.  Preferrably, a stand that could be 'hooked' to the 442, similar to my Garmin V GPS device.  The stand clamps onto the unit, and is completely adjustable.  This way, the 442 could be placed on the desktop (or other surface) at the approproate angle for viewing.

All in all, I am very impressed.  Nothing is perfect, but this comes awfully close.
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2005, 08:39:51 AM »

Here goes for the first impression:

 The lack of a printed manual bothered me at first, but everything is so completely user friendly when you get into it that it turns out to be ok.  You can look up the manual on the included CD as well.

I had immediate problems with the battery stopping recording after only about 15 minutes saying low battery but the meter showed full and I had charged it completely before using.  Hopefully this will go away with a few charge cycles.  

The four way interface is a little difficult especially with the case. The good part is that it does not go off by accident.  

I could not find a way to program a time for recording so i could leave it plugged in and leave home knowing that a show would be recorded.  It may be in there, but I could not find it, a scheduler of some sort would be very handy.  

The quality of recorded video and audio is great when recorded from DVD.  I travel a lot so this will be my primary use and it works great.  When I get to the hotel I can even cue up my videos.

I do not know if there is much to do about the battery, but i worry about not being able to replace it.  Has there been any thought about a "power brick" similar to the sony PSP.  Both units have almost identical DC input requirments though the 442 charger supplies 2.5A while the PSP charger is 2.0A.  Maybe this is a stupid question, but would the power brick work with the 442?

Awesome so far!

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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2005, 02:20:58 AM »

Have had my unit for about a week. Love love love it. The simple hardware interface is quite nice, and I find the directional button quite easy to use (though I've got big paws and a fairly heavy touch - some have said it's a bit stiff, maybe I'm just not noticing it). The power output with a pair of Shure e2c canal phones is more than adequate in noisy environments. To those who have mentioned volume is a problem, try a set of Shures - they're a bit spendy, but very well worth the investment.

One quick request: playlists. I cannot overemphasize how important playlists are to avid music listeners. I have 10 or 15 playlists on my computers that I use frequently, many of which share songs with other lists (eg: trance and goa, metal and death metal, jazz and piano), so I can't just put all the list songs in one directory (at least until the Linux port is out and I can use symlinks). Ideal would be just the ability to read standard .m3u format with relative paths.

That said, I'm a hacker, so I should quit whining and write the code. Is the dev kit out yet? I'll go look.

Great work guys! Keep it up!
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2005, 08:22:50 PM »

First thought is that it looks cool, I like the sleek metal. It's very easy to use and does everything that's it's supposed to do. Video quality is as good as a expected which is impressive. Battery life is great, works as long as indicated.

 Now the things that I don't like, since this section should be for improving the machine.
-Button control sucks. It's functional but even sounds cheap when you press them. They should have some sort of touch sensitive buttons.

-No shuffle for your music and no ability to make multiple playlists - that I know of. I can't believe the no shuffle thing.

-The look of the menus get dull very fast. And when looking though music ect. you have to be on the file in order to read what it is. Since your already in the folder that you chose I think it should show the end path, so that you can scan through more quickly.

-The ability to to keep playing something while surfing though files and looking around. Could be solved with a seperate stop button of something along those lines.

-Of course a well mentioned thing is also no ability to bookmark where your at.

 Well that's my opinion. They are all very small things and I'm sure that their upgrades will remedy most of the problems. I would like to say that I'm getting very attached to this little device. I like to use it as a mass storage device. When going to a friend house I download all of their music and video, which by the way you don't have to install anything on their computer. Well I've only tried it twice but it worked without a hitch. The only thing that I've yet to do is record show from a TV - no RCA outputs.
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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2006, 10:27:13 AM »

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Originally posted by rastyk
3.  flimsy rubber cover at the top of the unit : 5
      Mine is now off the unit Sad.. this is way too flimsy.

I'm amazed by how many negative comments there are about this.  Mine is perfectly fine, in no danger of breaking off, and easy to remove/replace.


Okay.  It finally happened.

My rubber cover fell off.
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