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« on: October 21, 2010, 03:00:41 pm »

I'm a happy Neuros OSD user. I bought my first one 3 years ago, and have since added 2 more. All 3 have continued to work well, and form the nucleus of my sophisticated home theater/media network. It's not perfect, and there are some features that I've found too troublesome to bother with even though they sounded exciting at first. With 3 years of heavy use, I've fallen into a comfortable pattern with the basics. I like the device and I might even buy one or 2 more just to keep in storage for future use!  I use mine mostly to backup old VHS movies and to create a backup library of somewhat compressed DVD movies, which I view on a variety of devices.  I use the network features EXTENSIVELY, and it's terribly convenient to have everything nicely organized in a single, central location where I can get to it from any of the PCs, TV, laptops, netbooks, iPads, and cell phones in the house! Here's my "official" review:

http://www.askmisterwizard.com/HomeTheater/NeurosOSD/NeurosOsdPage01Full.htm

Neuros: please continue manufacturing this device!
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 05:21:19 pm »

bless you for this message.  As you can imagine, the typical satisfied customer never shows up to the forum to make a post like this, so its really meaningful to us to see this.  Thank you!
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 12:27:02 am »


Just a small note - your title frame is quite big, it makes reading your page on a netbook [1024x600] awkward! [hint: Firefox has a "view only this frame" option, right-click for it]

Like you I have given up on subscription TV. I can't believe the amount I used to pay Sky. What I'd like (and would never happen) is to pay a "subscription" for legally downloading stuff off the Internet. That way, I could explore pretty much building my own selection... but in lieu of that, I have over a dozen channels which are completely free. My OSD gets daily use.

I am surprised you're using such a low bitrate. I guess it depends upon what you're digitising, however it is perhaps worth mentioning that motion is the main thing where compression artefacts show up. May I suggest you give 1200kbit a try? This is my 'base' quality. I agree, also, that it is nice to have the option of 2500kbit, but I think this is overkill. Not used it yet!


For JoeBorn: while there are quibbles (aren't there always?!), I too am happy with my OSD. Compared to my previous PVR... heh... don't go there... NTSC only output (why!?), locked to 30fps sampling (fun in a 25fps PAL region!), no choice of bitrate or audio codec, sound like coming from a bucket... what I will say is it functioned. Mostly. The OSD, on the other hand, just gets on, records video (mostly satellite TV), and does it well. Last night, thanks to the OSD, I watched "The Quatermess Xperiment" (from 1955, check out those comic fire engines! and wow, nurses dressed super-cute, not like today's blah white/blue outfits!)


There's a load of cheapish SD PVRs turning up, perhaps because a lot of people still have legacy equipment and there's fewer and fewer tape-based VCRs, while DVD recorders are still pricey. Oddly enough, there's no MPEG4 recorder of any sort in my local supermarkets. Why not?
Okay, granted, I live in France, but all the same - dozens of digital telly receivers, several DVD recorders (one with a harddisc fetching €350!!!). One VCR-DVD combo. Some cheap DVD players.
Why not an MPEG4 recorder? Why do these little gadgets seem to have been overlooked by the mainstream? Can't I go tell everybody who will listen (and even if they don't) how convenient the OSD is?

Take a look at http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDMV1-R-V-Mate-Memory-Recorder/dp/B000IN72KK for an example of what I mean by "other" PVRs. That and my older PVR. Neither of which are a patch on the OSD. Really... If anybody feels tempted by the nice write-up in Amazon, let me quote a real WTF?! item from the user guide: During recording in 640x480 resolution, there will be no preview window (in the other resolutions there is a preview window during recording). Instead the screen is black with “REC” displayed in the top left corner to indicate the V-Mate is recording. You can hear the audio. To see the video signal while recording in VGA resolution, you can setup a direct connection between the video source box (2nd AV output is required) and the TV (2nd AV input is required). This requires an extra AV cable (not included). What can I say? This alone destroys any hope of me ever considering this VMate. I mean, without screwing around with a mess of cabling, how exactly do I watch what is being recorded in order to record at a descent resolution? Oh, wait. I don't. Neuros! Yoo-hoo!
So - perhaps an opening for the OSD?
What it needs more than anything else is a new box. The box is cool, I love the little magnet-clasp. But what is written on the box is not cool. Let's be realistic about the OSD now [D1? No! 176xwhatever? was this in Torfu?]. And play down the "open" part of it, a geek so inclined will probably have already found these forums! A person wanting a video recorder may not care.
So, if there is any hope of reinvigorating the original OSD, here are my suggestions:
  • New box - "it's just like a VCR, only better" - aim it like that
  • USER GUIDE! Not a quick start but a proper guide - something my mother could understand!
  • Rejig the firmware to bury all the tech stuff away in a submenu
  • Rejig the firmware so it will look to see what the input signal type is (PAL/NTSC) and set itself initially according to this. Why? Some TVs blank an unsupported signal - like when the OSD reverts to NTSC output! [the tvp5150 can tell you this, can the driver retrieve this info?]
  • Rejig the firmware - kill the YouTube thing and replace it with a simple app to set up and select your favourite shoutcast channels (I know you can use mms2, but mms2 is clumsy and slow)
  • Rejig the firmware to select: mm/dd/yyyy or dd/mm/yyyy or yyyy/mm/dd and 12/24hour time
  • Downplay the ability to connect harddiscs, and be certain to point out that they'll need to have their own power supply. Reading negative comments on Amazon, it looks like many tried to connect stupidly large harddiscs and wonder why it isn't smooth sailing.
  • Don't call it a Media Center. It can't play newer-gen H.264 or anything HD, and people will nitpick on that (wah, it's a media center but wah it won't play this cool video I recorded on my iPhone wah).
To be honest, I think the hardest part of all that will be designing a new box! Wink The OSD has bucketloads of capability provided you sell it for what it is, and let the user take it to the next step if they feel inclined. I, for one, would be happy to recommend it as a video recorder.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 01:49:27 pm »

bless you for this message.  As you can imagine, the typical satisfied customer never shows up to the forum to make a post like this, so its really meaningful to us to see this.  Thank you!

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Joe.

One bit of news: In the review, I mentioned the old Linksys "NSLU2" file server that we are also using, and I lamented the fact that Linksys isn't making it any more. That's a bit of a problem for viewers that want to do what I've been doing. I'm just finishing up an article showing how to pervert a router for use as a file server, and I'm pleased to report that compatible routers are becoming available at low cost, so there are now multiple alternatives to the NSLU2 "SLUG" for use as a network file server with the Neuros OSD. The combination is just awesome!

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 10:22:46 pm »

I'm just finishing up an article showing how to pervert a router for use as a file server, and I'm pleased to report that compatible routers are becoming available at low cost,

I wondered about the possibility of doing something like this with my LinkSys WAG200G - but there's no I/O save for ethernet ports. Meh.


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with the Neuros OSD. The combination is just awesome!

If I wasn't using my OSD for a video recorder (you know, its intended purpose  Wink), I think it would make quite an interesting lightweight web server. It could probably run some version of PHP (given most broadband upstream crawls in comparison to the downstream), the software could sit on CF, logfiles etc to a USB key, and an image of the website on a read-only SD card. Or, playing with Unix symlinks, the shell of the site on read-only SD and the interactivity (blog postings, wiki, etc) on a USB key. There are some pretty sweet possibilities, and the whole setup can sit in the corner, do its thing, and consume nothing like the power of a full PC setup.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 11:21:42 am »

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I think it would make quite an interesting lightweight web server.

One thing I spent some time working on 18 months ago was attempting to build an alternative firmware for the OSD, using either or the DD-WRT/Open-WRT Kamakazi build system.

These build systems are a series of scripts which build a toolchain and kernel (there are several to choose from) from scratch - both shared between many different devices, so well tested and reliable. Then on top of these it constructs a basic filesystem. Then there are a huge number of build recipes for other applications & libraries that you may want. Then it'll package it all up for you!

The bonus is also that the firmware generated supports a packaging system, so you can install extra apps at will, without doing a re-build.

My problem was that I could never get the Neuros kernel to boot. I tried several toolchains to no avail - I wanted to use a more modern toolchain than the one Neuros provides, as gcc3.4 is quite old, and the gcc4.x series has many armv5 performance improvements incorporated (especially gcc4.4). But even older toolchains failed to generate a booting kernel, usually failing during the very initial boot phase, extracting the kernel. I got no output to serial to help me figure out what was wrong, and soon my interest waned. I'm no kernel hacker!

OpenEmbedded does support using a pre-build toolchain & kernel, but I still failed to make anything useful from it. I think at that stage, I had little time to persue it further & gave up. And sadly all my work  was lost in the great hard-drive disaster of '10 Smiley

It should be very possible to build a basic webserver and PHP to run on the OSD. I wouldn't use Apache, it's too heavy on resources. Lighttpd currently is functioning on the OSD.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2010, 09:34:17 pm »

Would Lighttpd support interaction with PHP? I think there's something about using Lua in the OSDng docs, but I'm not sure if this is stand-alone or in conjunction with a web-based server.


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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2010, 04:52:47 am »

I think Lighttpd can be configured to use what ever external interpreter you want.

Lua was already installed on the OSD, and it is fast & light, so a good option for a device with limited resources. But I don't see any reason why PHP wouldn't work just fine.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 07:44:56 am »


One bit of news: In the review, I mentioned the old Linksys "NSLU2" file server that we are also using, and I lamented the fact that Linksys isn't making it any more. That's a bit of a problem for viewers that want to do what I've been doing. I'm just finishing up an article showing how to pervert a router for use as a file server, and I'm pleased to report that compatible routers are becoming available at low cost, so there are now multiple alternatives to the NSLU2 "SLUG" for use as a network file server with the Neuros OSD. The combination is just awesome!

Regards,


I've now finished that addition, and it reveals an easy way to add low-cost "Network Attached Storage" that works well with the OSD. The new article is available here:

http://www.askmisterwizard.com/EZINE/AdvancedNetworkingSection/NAS/TheEasyWay/NasTheEasyWayPage01Full.htm

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 10:04:08 pm »

Hi. You might possibly have the answer to a question of mine. I'll keep it brief as it is off topic here...

My internet access is an Orange Livebox.
I also have an ADSL router, a Linksys WAG200G (running OpenWAG firmware).

Would it be possible to reconfig the WAG to work as an intranet router (for my local LAN) using the WiFi port to communicate with the Livebox to provide internet access? In essence, I want to use the WiFi on this router in reverse, as a client, as opposed to an access point.


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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 07:05:56 am »

Rick:

Thanks for asking. As a general rule, WiFi hardware can operate in client or server mode. However, the required firmware is significantly different. I am not entirely sure I understand your question, but I have a feeling that what you are asking for could be done with custom firmware. This is NOT a trivial exercise. As you said, this is off-topic here. May I suggest you take it to the "Wireless LANs" forum at AskMisterWizard.com and let that community take a look at your questions?

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