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tobiasly
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 Posted - 08/06/2003 : 09:23:58 AM
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Now that OGG support is "almost official", I've decided to start re-ripping my CD's to OGG (I will not be re-encoding any MP3's to which I don't have the original.)
I've been using CDex for encoding MP3's, and it also supports OGG. The built-in OGG encoder has a date of 2002/07/19 -- is this the newest, or new enough, version of the library?
If not, could I just drop in new vorbis.dll and vorbisenc.dll files from xiph.org? And if no to that, what good direct CD-to-OGG rippers do people recommend?
The default CDex settings (it uses a "quality" setting, but doesn't give a number) produce files that sound much better in WinAMP than the default MP3's, and are a good bit smaller. I hope they sound fine on my Neuros! |
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kronin
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 09:57:46 AM
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Tobiasly, I'm not sure about windows ripping programs, but I think the quality setting is constant across platforms. I encode all my oggs at quality 5 and there is some minor chirping when playing on the neuros. Note that it doesn't affect all songs, it depends on the complexity of the music, etc. When playing in XMMS (linux equivalent of WinAmp), it looks like the bitrate ranges from ~170 to ~200.
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hexcentric1
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:42:43 AM
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Cross platform program that's pretty popular:
http://www.cd-rw.org/software/audio_software/audio_encoders/oggdrop_encoder.cfm
Hope it helps; as for quality, there have been other posts fairly recently on the topic, try a search. Pretty much comes down to personal preference.
Now we just have to test our patience for the final firmware release with fully optimized ogg support... |
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tobiasly
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:45:15 AM
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Thanks, I just realized that the default is indeed at "quality" 5 (I missed that label on CDex previously).
I just tried playing some music on the Neuros, and I do indeed get some clicking with some songs. So I guess I'll hold off for now on the Ogg conversion, but any advice would still be appreciated, in anticipation of high-quality Ogg support soon! |
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tobiasly
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:50:58 AM
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| Thanks hexcentric, but I already tried that program and it doesn't support direct encoding from CD's, as far as I can tell. |
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twifkak
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 1:28:26 PM
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Originally posted by tobiasly
Thanks hexcentric, but I already tried that program and it doesn't support direct encoding from CD's, as far as I can tell.
Myself, I just record to WAV with Winamp (there's a CD-to-soundcard plugin for winamp), and OggdropXPd them into ogg. But I haven't done anything en masse, so I don't know if there's a more efficient way. |
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toohot4love
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 2:16:52 PM
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I use CD'n'go to encode mp3 and ogg... you can do a lot of other stuff with it too, including fixing your id3 tags. The best part is it's freeware. You can get it here: http://www.cdngo.com
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hexcentric1
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 6:42:12 PM
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Hey tobiasly, I'm not sure what all oggdrop will do. I've heard good things, but haven't used it. I use grip in linux, and it does everything quite nicely. Long ago, I tried ripping and encoding in windows, but it was generally a two-step process if you wanted to do it right. I'm sure there are programs out there now that'll do a good job.
But I wouldn't use winamp to create wav files. Going that route, you don't extract the digital data from the cd. so you won't get a perfect copy. then through encoding you lose just a bit of quality. using digital audio extraction (e.g., cdparanoia) you only lose something when you use a lossy codec. might as well try to limit your losses, you know? the program toohot mentioned does this, and appears to be pretty good. |
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twifkak
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Posted - 08/06/2003 : 7:14:59 PM
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| Yeah, I'm looking into cdngo, simply because it eliminates a step, and I'm planning on mass-ripping my CDs now that my Neuros is fully functional. However, as I said, I use a Winamp plugin to play my CDs that *does* DDA (or so I think, anyway) -- I could be wrong. (For reference, it's simply called CD Reader.) I needed it a few months ago because the MPwhatever connection between my old CD player and my soundcard was sloppy (clicks and pops) and my dorm room was too crowded to want to open up my computer and check it out. So, if I am indeed not crazy, it might be a solution for those who like to install as few programs as possible (hey, Windows bloat encourages this paranoia). |
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tobiasly
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 08:32:53 AM
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys; I will definitely look into CDnGo. I agree that I don't want to go the two-step route; even if there is no loss of quality, I don't want to bother with it!
It turns out, though, that CDex is actually working pretty well. I had thought that it had a problem writing the Ogg tags correctly, but this was actually a problem with WinaMP3 reading the tags correctly! (Yes, I know WinaMP3 is a fat, abandonded piece of bloatware, but I love the eye candy!)
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toohot4love
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 4:00:24 PM
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Originally posted by tobiasly
(Yes, I know WinaMP3 is a fat, abandonded piece of bloatware, but I love the eye candy!)
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Yeah part of me really wants to download the new Winamp 2.9, but then I just love my Winamp3 skin so much.... I think I just don't care if it almost grinds my computer to a halt sometimes.
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Don
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Posted - 08/10/2003 : 6:06:18 PM
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Myself, I just record to WAV with Winamp (there's a CD-to-soundcard plugin for winamp), and OggdropXPd them into ogg. But I haven't done anything en masse, so I don't know if there's a more efficient way.
If you rip to wave and then encode don't you lose much of the tag
information that a direct encode from CD would give you, such as album, artist, year?
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twifkak
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Posted - 08/10/2003 : 7:02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Don
If you rip to wave and then encode don't you lose much of the tag
information that a direct encode from CD would give you, such as album, artist, year?
Yeah, actually, come to think of it, that *was* a pain. :P I had to copynpaste it by hand (something windows does well). Thanks for reminding me. |
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BishoP
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Posted - 08/27/2003 : 4:41:55 PM
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| Exact Audio Copyhttp://www.exactaudiocopy.de is a windows based extraction tool which uses an external encoder for MP3,OGG,RKA,etc. files. Point the program to the encoder's .exe and select the options. It handles the tagging as well as playlist creation if you select the option. |
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Don
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Posted - 09/03/2003 : 8:49:40 PM
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I generally use dbpoweramp convert to rip and/or encode in windows
www.dbpoweramp.com
The basic program is free, but you can pay extra for a package of
"power user" options.
In Linux, I use grip.
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powderific(at)hotmail.com
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Posted - 09/21/2003 : 7:43:03 PM
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I use riptrax, it is a free program available here: http://www.riptrax.com/
It'll encode a cd directly. |
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Steve Hayashi
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encosion's neuros died again... encosion has left the building in a huff, never to return...
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Posted - 10/11/2003 : 3:28:20 PM
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i second steve's choice [ OggEnc2.2 (libVorbis 1.0 GT3b1) ] ..and i use "copah's CD Reader" plugin in conjunction with the "File Output Plugin" for WinAmp 2.91 to rip directly from CD to OGG... .. .
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shimage
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Posted - 10/13/2003 : 03:05:24 AM
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There are only two ripping/encoding programs worth using on Windows (that I know of) and they're CDex and EAC. I prefer EAC, but that doesn't really mean anything. I am under the impression that their feature sets are roughly equivalent, but I've never used CDex, so I can't really say.
The reason why CDex and EAC are the two that do not suck is that they try to make sure that the rip is correct the first time (i.e. there aren't any spurious bits). |
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tobiasly
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Posted - 10/13/2003 : 07:14:08 AM
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After reading a bit through the CDex forums, I found a user-contributed build called "CDex special edition" which has up-to-date Vorbis and MP3 encoders. I have been using it since then, and have been pretty happy with it.
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Toojays
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Posted - 03/14/2004 : 04:28:38 AM
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I know this is an old thread, but my two cents. Keep in mind that I have a large hard drive, not a whole lot of CDs, and a 128MB Neuros.
I rip first to FLAC using Grip, and then use oggenc to convert the FLAC files to quality 0 Oggs. This insulates me from any future changes to the Ogg format, and I would recommend it to people who have the disk space. Of course, it's not for everyone, since a FLAC encoded CD still takes 300-400 megabytes. I have Grip fill in the tags for the FLAC file, and oggenc takes the tags from the FLAC and puts them into the Oggs.
The main reason why I do this is that I have been bitten by a couple of Ogg Vorbis issues in the past. One was that I had a bunch of CDs encoded using the Ogg Vorbis betas, and those files wont play on the Neuros. The other was that I had some CDs which I ripped using KDE's audiocd ioslave, which before KDE 3.2 had a data corruption bug.
Ogg Vorbis is definitely the best lossy audio codec around at the moment, but if I use FLAC as my "master" files, I can painlessly reconvert to different types of Ogg Vorbis whenever I want (e.g. I use -q0 on my Neuros, but might go to -q5 on my laptop). Also I have read that the Ogg bitstream format will have to change slightly if bitrate peeling is ever to be implemented properly. |
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