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K-Man666
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 Posted - 02/12/2004 : 08:15:31 AM
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Has there been any change in the Xi-Menus since initial development? If so, what changes have been done? What was the intention in originally talking about "freely configurable Xi-menus"?
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K-Man666
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 09:15:18 AM
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So it seems nothing is done at the moment. That's bad news, guys!
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kronin
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 10:00:01 AM
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Originally posted by K-Man666
Has there been any change in the Xi-Menus since initial development?
What do you consider a change in the XI menus? Some items have been added (I can't remember if they're in 1.45 or not, but they're there in 2.0), and all the XI information is stored in the database (I know, I went and read the spec document). What do you want to do with the XI menus? |
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Nathan Otis
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 11:38:26 AM
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Originally posted by kronin
quote:
Originally posted by K-Man666
What was the intention in originally talking about "freely configurable Xi-menus"?
What do you consider a change in the XI menus? Some items have been added (I can't remember if they're in 1.45 or not, but they're there in 2.0), and all the XI information is stored in the database (I know, I went and read the spec document). What do you want to do with the XI menus?
I think this is his request. It's not a sticking point with me, but I can understand the desire for it to come to fruition, since it was advertised.
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kronin
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 12:46:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nathan Otis
I think this is his request. It's not a sticking point with me, but I can understand the desire for it to come to fruition, since it was advertised.
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If you're talking about the XI information being stored in the database, that's been that way since the beginning. |
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Chameleon
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 1:07:08 PM
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NDBM needs a Xi Menu Editor!
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Sean Starkey
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 1:21:21 PM
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Originally posted by Chameleon
NDBM needs a Xi Menu Editor!
I have reversed engineered the Xi format and could easily make an editor. I don't know what you'd do with it though. You could change the words displayed I suppose.
I just have to fix playlists first.
Sean Starkey - Project Manager for Neuros Database Manipulator - http://neurosdbm.sourceforge.net |
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Nathan Otis
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 1:54:24 PM
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Originally posted by kronin
If you're talking about the XI information being stored in the database, that's been that way since the beginning.
What I'm talking about is that the original poster wanted to know when the Xi menus will be "freely configurable".
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kronin
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 2:31:18 PM
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Originally posted by Nathan Otis
What I'm talking about is that the original poster wanted to know when the Xi menus will be "freely configurable".
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and what I asked in response to that was, what does he want to do with it? Well, Kaspar? Throw out some ideas, cuz' "freely configurable" could mean just about anything. |
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webkid
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 8:00:20 PM
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Originally posted by kronin
"freely configurable" could mean just about anything.
Actually, I think it does.
I don't know exactly what you could do, following the lead of many Windows programs, a large list of possible commands could be provided, and the user could choose as many (or as few) to be "activated" on the Neuros. For example, if you don't use MyMix, you could remove the "Add to MyMix" Xi entry.
I imagine it will also have to be "freely configurable" in order to allow external or 3rd party applications to run. |
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K-Man666
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Posted - 02/18/2004 : 5:29:16 PM
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For example,there could be options to add tracks to other playlists but My Mix or switching the backlight on/off or setting date and time. There could be shortcuts to several options applied at once (i.e "options profile 1: Backlight 10 sec, Random, EQ Rock", "options profile 2: Backlight off, sequential, Classical, Repeat All")
All of this would make handling the neuros much easier.
Kaspar (The German Guy) |
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kronin
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Posted - 02/18/2004 : 11:04:08 PM
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Originally posted by K-Man666
For example,there could be options to add tracks to other playlists but My Mix or switching the backlight on/off or setting date and time. There could be shortcuts to several options applied at once (i.e "options profile 1: Backlight 10 sec, Random, EQ Rock", "options profile 2: Backlight off, sequential, Classical, Repeat All")
All of this would make handling the neuros much easier.
Kaspar (The German Guy)
Good ideas. With FW 2.0 you can go back and change the date and time, or any setting for that matter, while music is playing, so that might take care of that. I like the idea of being able to add songs to other playlists than My Mix, as well as a shortcut to switching the backlight on or off. Profiles are an interesting idea... I also like webkid's idea of being able to disable certain XI menu items if you don't use them. I have yet to use My Mix, for example. |
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K-Man666
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Posted - 02/19/2004 : 12:31:46 PM
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A new Xi menu for playlist-> rename would also be nice ( so I could add anything at first and rename the former MyMix to 'Angry' or 'Sad' or 'playlist to make my girlfriend feel comfortable'  )
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iam(at)notserio.us
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Posted - 02/24/2004 : 2:16:52 PM
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Additional thoughts:
- On a particular song, 'Play this album'
- Add this album/artist to a playlist (rather than just adding an individual song)
- Turn on/off MyFi manually
- Scan for open MyFi frequency
The larger point is that a scripting language for the Neuros (including, if I remember correctly, Xi menus) was promised at some point in the past. As with many other things, it has yet to materialize. |
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webkid
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Posted - 02/24/2004 : 4:27:20 PM
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| They never (to my recolection) "promised" any sort of scripting language. The only thing they promised regarding the firmware was open source when the time was right. Without even a compiler for the archetecture, and bug fixes taking priority over removing Intellectual Property from the firmware code for release, I'm pretty happy with where we are. |
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iam(at)notserio.us
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Posted - 02/24/2004 : 6:46:11 PM
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http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=471
3/22/03, mgao:
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"3. Neuros has a built in interpreter kernel, which will interpret and "run" scripts that are pre-compiled by PC. Developer can develop their own scripts using a language very much like C, called NI. This will provide much more flexibility to developers while they don't have to touch any of the HW part. One of our big questions would be, is NI appealing to most of the developers? or they would rather build the system by themselves in C, using APIs from above 1?"
4/11/03, jmay:
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"We're trying to figure out when the script support will be ready. It will be > 2 months."
I suppose you could argue the meaning of the word 'promise' in a Clintonesque way; however, this certainly looks close enough to me.
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webkid
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Posted - 02/24/2004 : 7:43:20 PM
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Apologies, that's under "Neuros Wishlist", whereas the majority of my reading is under General and Mods.
Still, however, the first quote seems more like a proposal, and the second says it will be more than two months.  That's certainly not a "promise". |
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iam(at)notserio.us
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Posted - 02/24/2004 : 11:39:21 PM
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Take it as you will. A scriptable interface has been bandied about on more than one occasion on these forums as an alternative to open-source firmware, since it is increasingly unlikely that _that_ will happen.
This would, at least, provide a mechanism of correcting the woefully clunky interface on the device. For crying out loud...even Archos has a better interface, and they're French! |
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webkid
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Posted - 02/25/2004 : 01:41:42 AM
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Let's address each of your statements.
A) Scripting has never been "promised". It has been "proposed", offered, and received with a rather lukewarm response.
B) It hasn't been listed as an alternative. It's been mentioned as supplemental, or in the interim. But that leads me to...
C) The firmware source will be opened. Come on, it's not like we're talking about the Phantom here.
D) What would you do with the source, even if you had it? There are no compilers for the TI DSP inside of the Neuros other than those priced in the thousands of dollars.
E) You would rather have a scripting interface now, than additional features, performance enhancements, more supported formats ... and so on? I can guarantee the scripting will take longer than solving all of your other gripes combined.
F) The interface needs work. Yes, we all agree on that. However, this is a minor issue as it is functional, and serves the purpose of playing music. (Which, if you forgot, is the reason people buy this thing)
G) There are numerous advantages and disadvantages to each and every portable music player. The iPod is smaller. The Archos has a better interface. The Neuros will be open source, supports Ogg Vorbis, has a spectacular modular design, and has a community behind it.
That should cover it. |
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Chameleon
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Posted - 02/25/2004 : 11:30:54 AM
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Nice post webkid... And congrats on your entrance into the 500 club.
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webkid
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Posted - 02/26/2004 : 01:38:15 AM
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| I couldn't do it without the help of my bitter sarcasm. |
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